Since Pope John Paul II was a real pope, was Archbishop Lefebvre excommunicated?

Catholic Candle note: The article below shows the invalidity of an excommunication against a good man when it is imposed because he is a good man. One such excommunication was against Archbishop Lefebvre because he was good and upheld the truth.

But a reader would be wrong in supposing that this article supports the current “new” SSPX, which is trending liberal and no longer follows the course set out for the SSPX by their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre.

Here are a few of the many proofs that the “new” SSPX is liberal and should not be supported in any way:

Further, sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the eighteenth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this eighteenth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier seventeen articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (i.e., believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.10

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial claim of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.11

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.12

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority but resist the evil of his words or deeds.13

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can recognize what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting heresy or other error.14

In the thirteenth article of this series, we saw the falsehood of a related sedevacantist error (or “half-truth”), claiming that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.15

In the fourteenth article of this series, we considered another way to see that sedevacantism is wrong and sinful, viz., because it is the sin of revolution.16

In the fifteenth article of this series, we saw that even though Pope Leo XIV is objectively a very bad pope, all Catholics are in communion with him, since this is an essential condition of being Catholic and not schismatic.17

In the sixteenth article of this series, we considered the position (and saw the error) that those who pray for the pope in the Canon of the Mass are declaring that they adopt his errors.18

In the seventeenth article of this series, we saw that we must have a pope because the Fatima apparitions show that a pope will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.19

Now in the eighteenth article of this series, we consider whether excommunication is invalid if a person is excommunicated for being good or for defending the Catholic truth.


Since Pope John Paul II was a real pope, does that mean that Archbishop Lefebvre was really excluded from the Catholic Church by the pope excommunicating him?

Some sedevacantists seek to trap uninformed Catholics into believing that, if they support the position of good men, such as Archbishop Lefebvre, then they must declare that the post-Vatican II popes are not real popes.

One example of that trap is when the sedevacantists present a false alternative:20 either:

  • Declare that Archbishop Lefebvre died outside the Catholic Church;

    or

  • Agree that John Paul II was not a valid pope.

But even if the sedevacantist who lays that trap is himself simply ignorant, we show (below) the error of this false alternative trap.


Short answer to the Sedevacantist Question

The pope has the power to decide whom to excommunicate. However, those excommunications have no effect if they are imposed unjustly.

Discussion and explanation

This question directly pertains to the pope’s power to excommunicate a wayward subordinate. But let us examine this power in its proper context of the more general powers that a superior (including the pope) possesses, to govern the community over which he is superior.

A pope must use his authority to keep order in the Church that he governs, and therefore he must punish wayward subordinates.

This duty is analogous to that of the father of a family, who must govern for the good of his family. This duty is also analogous to the duty of a civil ruler, who must govern for the good of civil society.

Civil and ecclesiastical superiors cannot read the interior souls of their subordinates any more than parents can read the souls of their children. Thus, the superior cannot infallibly determine his subordinates’ subjective interior culpability for their words and deeds.

But because superiors must care for the communities they govern (as a father governs his family), they must punish their subordinates who do evil things.21 They must do their best to administer justice, although they might judge mistakenly.22 God will judge how diligently those superiors sought justice.

St. Thomas Aquinas, greatest Doctor of the Catholic Church, warns those whose duty is to judge to do it carefully and justly. Here are his words:

Through an unjust sentence a judge destroys a man, nonetheless he renders an unjust sentence in vain. The power of binding and loosing is given only for building, not for destroying.”23

A civil judge can possibly misjudge an accused person of having inner guilt, but must judge based on the best available outward evidence and punish criminals as justly as possible. Likewise, because Church officials protect the Church community that they govern (e.g., the whole Church, in the case of the pope, or a diocese, in the case of a bishop, etc.), they must punish wrongdoers as justly as possible despite the possibility of misjudgment.

When a heretic (or other evildoer) refuses to repent despite his ecclesiastical superior’s efforts to convince him, that superior must punish him. Among other punishments, that superior can excommunicate him, i.e., exile him from the community.24

From all the above, we see that excommunication is a necessary ecclesiastical power and part of good governing. But in a given case, fallible Church superiors might excommunicate unjustly25 (without adequate cause or judicial process), and therefore invalidly.26 In other words, it would be a great error to suppose that papal excommunications are always valid and can never be void. An excommunication must just in order to be valid.

St. Thomas, quoting St. Augustine, both cautions ecclesiastical judges to judge carefully and also declares that unjust censures have no force. Here are their words:

When Our Lord grants to the hierarchy the power to “bind [a person] on earth”, St. Augustine warns Church leaders: “Make sure that you bind justly, for justice shatters bonds which are unjustly imposed.”27

Applying this principle to Pope John Paul II’s purported excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre, that penalty was plainly invalid and of no effect because that penalty was imposed because Archbishop Lefebvre defended Catholic Tradition. This is similar to Pope Liberius invalidly excommunicating St. Athanasius for his orthodoxy.28

Summary of this Article

The pope must use his authority to govern the Church wisely and render judgment justly. By his own authority, the pope can and must excommunicate seriously wayward, incorrigible subordinates.

The pope has the power to decide who to excommunicate. However, those excommunications have no effect if they are imposed unjustly – as would be the case when a person is excommunicated for defending the Catholic Faith. In other words, excommunications are not automatically valid.

The fact that it is possible for a pope to invalidly and unjustly proclaim an “excommunication” does not in any way serve as evidence that he is not a valid pope.

This truth “gives the lie” to the sedevacantist trick argument:

  • Archbishop Lefebvre was good.

  • John Paul II excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre.

  • Therefore John Paul II cannot have been a real pope.

The truth is that Pope John Paul II was a valid pope but was simply abusing his authority and acting unjustly toward Archbishop Lefebvre.

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: Is it Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article: The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, IS the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-man-whom-the-whole-church-accepts-as-pope-is-the-pope/

11 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


12 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


13 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


14 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

15

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope – An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

17 Answering a Sedevacantist’s Rhetorical Question: All Catholics are in Communion with the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/12/29/all-catholics-are-in-communion-with-the-pope/

20 Many sedevacantists are “experts” at using “false alternative” traps. For example, they assert to unwary Catholics: “You are required to accept any liturgical changes that a valid pope promulgates, therefore you must either:


  • Accept the new mass;


or


  • Agree that Paul VI (who promulgated the new mass) was not a real pope.


For purposes of this article, we do not need to determine whether the sedevacantists are culpable for such false arguments. Maybe they are merely ignorant. God will judge that, not us. We only need to be aware of their objectively false arguments so that we can help guard ourselves and others against them.

21 Here is how St. Thomas explains this principle that we are obliged to obey (and can be justly judged) only by those superiors who are our superiors at the time we are acting:

Judgment ought to be congruous as far as concerns the person of the one judging. … It is not prohibited to superiors but to subjects; hence they [viz., the superiors] ought to judge only their subjects.

St. Thomas Aquinas, Lectures on St. Matthew’s Gospel, ch.7, §1.

St. Thomas elaborates on this truth:

[J]ust as a law cannot be made save by public authority, so neither can a judgment be pronounced except by public authority, which extends over those who are subject to the community [i.e., subject to that particular public authority]. Wherefore, even as it would be unjust for one man to force another to observe a law that was not approved by public authority, so too, it is unjust, if a man compels another to submit to a judgment that is pronounced by anyone other than the public authority.

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa, IIa IIae, Q.60, a.6, respondeo (bracketed words added for clarity).

22 Here is how Pope St. Pius X explains the duty of ecclesiastical superiors to judge in the external forum and punish their subordinates’ evil deeds, even though the subordinate might not be interiorly culpable for any sin:

Although they [the Modernists] express their astonishment that We should number them amongst the enemies of the Church, no one will be reasonably surprised that We should do so, if, leaving out of account the internal disposition of the soul, of which God alone is the Judge, he considers their doctrines, their manner of speech, and their action [which are the outward, objective criteria upon which a man judges in the external forum].

Pascendi, St. Pope Pius X, §3 (emphasis and bracketed words added).

Thus, as Pope St. Pius X explains, a superior might be mistaken about “the internal disposition of the soul, of which God alone is the Judge” but nonetheless, the superior must protect the community over which he has authority, by judging the outward conduct of wrong-doers under him (and punishing, where necessary).

23 St. Thomas’ Lectures on St. Matthew’s Gospel, ch.23, #1858.

24 The Summa explains that “excommunication is the most severe punishment”. Summa Supp., Q.21, a.3, respondeo.

25 The Summa explains this truth as follows:

An excommunication may be unjust … on the part of the excommunication, through there being no proper cause, or through the sentence being passed without the forms of law being observed. In this case, if the error, on the part of the sentence, be such as to render the sentence void, this has no effect, for there is no excommunication.

Summa Supp., Q.21, a.4, respondeo (emphasis added).

26 Emphasizing the ineffectiveness of a void excommunication on a man’s charity (and therefore his possession of sanctifying grace and salvation), the Summa adds:

No man can be justly excommunicated except for a mortal sin, whereby a man is already separated from charity, even without being excommunicated. An unjust excommunication cannot deprive a man of charity, since this is one of the greatest of all goods, of which a man cannot be deprived against his will [showing the truth that committing a mortal sin is voluntary].

Summa Supp., Q.21, a.1, ad 2.

27 St. Thomas’ Catena Aurea on St. Matthew’s Gospel, Ch. 18, section 5.

28 See, The Voice of Tradition, By Michael Davies, The Remnant, April 30, 1978, page 13-14, citing various authorities confirming the excommunication of St. Athanasius.

The Revelations to Sister Lucy of Fatima Show That the Catholic Church has a Pope Now

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the seventeenth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this seventeenth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier sixteen articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (i.e., believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.10

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial claim of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.11

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.12

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority but resist the evil of his words or deeds.13

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can recognize what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting heresy or other error.14

In the thirteenth article of this series, we saw the falsehood of a related sedevacantist error (or “half-truth”), claiming that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.15

In the fourteenth article of this series, we considered another way to see that sedevacantism is wrong and sinful, viz., because it is the sin of revolution.16

In the fifteenth article of this series, we saw that even though Pope Leo XIV is objectively a very bad pope, all Catholics are in communion with him, since this is an essential condition of being Catholic and not schismatic.17

In the sixteenth article of this series, we considered the position (and saw the error) that those who pray for the pope in the Canon of the Mass are declaring that they adopt his errors.18

Now, in the seventeenth article of this series, we consider we must have a pope because the Fatima apparitions show that a pope will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


The Revelations to Sister Lucy of Fatima Show That the Catholic Church has a Pope Now


Part 17

The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that there will always be a pope.19 For example, the First Vatican Council infallibly teaches us:

If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by Divine Law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of Blessed Peter in this primacy, let him be anathema.20

This dogma fits perfectly with the revelations given to Sister Lucy (one of the Fatima seers) in connection with Our Lady of Fatima’s request (and her Son’s command) for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.


The Fatima Request that the Pope and Bishops Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

In 1917, Our Lady of Fatima revealed that God Wills that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart. Our Lady promised to come later and, at that later time, to ask for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart. Here are her words in 1917:

I shall come [viz., in 1929] to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, by the Holy Father and all the bishops of the world. If my request is heeded [i.e., promptly], Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution against the Church.21

On this same day in 1917, Our Lady of Fatima revealed to the three Children of Fatima that the pope definitely will consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart and through this means God will grant peace. However, as shown further below, this consecration will be greatly delayed. Here are Our Lady’s words in 1917:

The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she [viz., Russia] shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.22

Then Our Lady of Fatima came to Sister Lucy (one of the Fatima seers) in 1929 and told her:

The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save [viz., Russia] by this means.…23

In 1929, Our Lord assured Sister Lucy that the pope and bishops would actually perform this consecration – but only after a long delay. Here are Sister Lucy’s words describing Our Lord’s revelation to her:

Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: “They [viz., Pope Pius XI and the bishops of the world] did not want to heed My request! … Like the King of France, they [viz., the pope and bishops of the world] will repent and do it, but it will be late.24

Again, in 1931, Our Lord assured Sister Lucy that the pope and bishops will perform this consecration – but He revealed that there will first be a long delay. Here are Sister Lucy’s words describing Our Lord’s revelation to her:

By means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: Make it known to My ministers [viz., the pope and bishops], seeing that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My demand, they will also have to follow him into misfortune. Like the King of France, they [viz., the pope and bishops of the world] will repent and do it [viz., the consecration], but it will be late.25

Thus, from these revelations to Sister Lucy, we know that there will be a pope and bishops who will actually perform this consecration in obedience to Heaven’s request (although “it will be late”).

The Catholic Church has a full hierarchy (a pope and bishops), although they might not possess Episcopal sacramental power because of their doubtful conciliar consecrations.

The consecration of Russia does not require Episcopal sacramental powers.26 This consecration must be performed by the Catholic Church’s rulers, who govern the Church.

Previously, we saw that the Catholic Church continues to have a full hierarchy (a pope and the local ordinaries of the dioceses of the world) and that the Church leaders’ jurisdictional power (authority to govern) remains.27 It is these bishops (the local ordinaries), who must join the pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


This Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary Has Not Yet Occurred and so There Must Still be a Pope and Bishops to do this in the Future.

The pope and bishops have not yet consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the way that Our Lord commanded.28 Our Lord promised that this consecration would occur although He predicted “it will be late”. Because this consecration requires a pope and bishops with jurisdiction, this shows indirectly that a pope (and bishops with jurisdiction) exists now, because otherwise there would not be means through which to elect a future pope (who appoints the future bishops).


Sedevacantists deny we now have a pope, so they concoct false scenarios imagining how a future pope could take office 68 years after the last pope they recognize.

We Catholics recognize the Catholic Church continues to be governed by a pope and bishops (scandalous though they are) and that the present Church leaders (or their successors) are the ones who will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

The contrast could not be greater, between the Catholic truth (that we have a full Church government) and the empty, sedevacantist position – viz., there is no one exercising the jurisdiction of the Church: no pope, no cardinals, no local ordinaries, no Church government!

Our Lord’s prophecy (viz., that the pope and bishops will perform the consecration but it will be late) is an unsolvable problem for the sedevacantists. They have no credible answer to this question:

From where will the pope and bishops come, who will consecrate Russia?

The sedevacantists’ fuzzy answer is that “somehow” there will be a pope and bishops in the future. Some sedevacantists (wrongly) suppose that perhaps God will choose a pope by some future, currently-unknown miraculous sign.

In any event, if the sedevacantists were correct (which they are not) that the Church has not had a pope in 68 years, there could be no future pope of the Catholic Church (who could perform the consecration of Russia in union with the bishops then in office).

If (as the sedevacantists claim) there has been no pope for 68 years, then any such future pope (who would “somehow” come into office to perform the consecration of Russia) would not reign over the same Catholic Church which has existed continuously from the time of Our Lord. Instead, such future pope (falsely imagined by the sedevacantists) would be part of a restored papal monarchy and a re-founded hierarchy which would be part of a different “church”.29

As explained more fully below, there are two reasons why the sedevacantists’ (imagined) future “church” would not be a continuation of the true Catholic Church founded by Christ:

  1. There would be no continuity between the true Catholic Church founded by Christ, and a (supposed) future “church” with a re-established government; this gap (discontinuity) would mean that the second “church” would be a different “church”.

  2. Christ founded a Church with a succession of human vicars chosen by men, not by miraculous Divine selection.

Each of these reasons will be discussed below.

  1. There would be no continuity between the true Catholic Church founded by Christ, and a (supposed) future “church” with a re-established government; this gap (discontinuity) would mean that the second “church” would be a different “church”.

The very essence and definition of the Catholic Church includes the concept of a continuous government by the Catholic Church’s living authorities ruling over the Catholics then living. This definition of the Catholic Church does not require that those leaders are virtuous, holy or faithful.30 However, the Church’s very nature (definition) requires that there must be continuous Church government, i.e., a continuous Church hierarchy.

The very definition of the Church tells us that the Church will continuously have a hierarchy and government. For example, The Catechism of St. Pius X teaches:

Q. What is the Catholic Church?

A. The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff.31

Again, this definition shows the Catholic Church will always have a living hierarchy which has authority over us. However, this continuity of Church government in no way implies that this hierarchy will be good or that we must blindly “obey” our superiors when they tell us to do evil.32

The Baltimore Catechism similarly defines the Catholic Church as having a living human government:

Q. What is the Church?

A. The Church is the congregation of all those who profess the faith of Christ, partake of the same Sacraments, and are governed by their lawful pastors under one visible Head.

Quoted from The Baltimore Catechism #3, Q. 489 (emphasis added).

If (as the sedevacantists wrongly suppose) there has been no hierarchy for 68 years, and further (as they imagine) that the hierarchy will “pop” into existence “miraculously” in the future, then this many-decades gap in Church government would result in a new or a re-founded “church”. This (supposed) future “church” would not be the same as the Catholic Church founded by Christ, because there would be many decades during which there was no Catholic Church that fit Her definition given above (which includes a continuously-existing unified government of living men who have authority over us).

This many-decades gap (imagined by the sedevacantists) between Pope Pius XII and the next pope would destroy the continuity of the Church, just as would a 68-year gap during which no one professed the Catholic Faith. Any gap in the Church’s government or Faith would discontinue the Church because She would no longer fit Her definition during those decades.

Thus, the sedevacantists are wrong that, after many decades without a Church hierarchy and government (as they falsely imagine), the supposed later revival of a hierarchy would be the same, true Catholic Church.


  1. The Church that Christ founded has a succession of human vicars chosen by men, not by miraculous Divine selection.

Our Lord founded His Church with a perpetual government whose leaders are chosen by human means: election of a pope by men (not by miracle), and the pope ensures the appointment of bishops to govern the Church’s dioceses.

The sedevacantists’ error causes them to deny the continuation of those human means through which the Catholic Church’s government is perpetuated.


Conclusion of this Article

Our Lord prophesied that there will be a future pope who (together with the Church’s bishops) will consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This prophecy shows that there is a pope now. Therefore, the Seat of Peter is not vacant. We have a pope.

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: Is it Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article: The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, IS the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-man-whom-the-whole-church-accepts-as-pope-is-the-pope/

11 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


12 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


13 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


14 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

15

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope – An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

17 Answering a Sedevacantist’s Rhetorical Question: All Catholics are in Communion with the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/12/29/all-catholics-are-in-communion-with-the-pope/

19 Read this article here: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

20 Vatican I, Session 4, Ch. 2 (bold emphasis and parenthetical words are in the original, italic emphasis added). For a full examination of this dogma (that the Catholic Church will always have a pope), see also this article: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

21 This is a portion of Our Lady’s message during the Third Apparition of Fatima, July 13, 1917 (emphasis added; bracketed words added to clarify the timeline), quoted from The Whole Truth About Fatima, Frére Michel de la Sainte Trinité, translator John Collorafi, vol. II, Immaculate Heart Publications, Buffalo, NY, © 1989 for English translation, pp.281-282.

22 This is a portion of Our Lady’s message during the Third Apparition of Fatima, July 13, 1917 (emphasis added), quoted from The Whole Truth About Fatima, Frére Michel de la Sainte Trinité, translator John Collorafi, vol. II, Immaculate Heart Publications, Buffalo, NY, © 1989 for English translation, pp.281-282.

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23 The Whole Truth About Fatima, Frére Michel de la Sainte Trinité, translator John Collorafi, vol. II, Immaculate Heart Publications, Buffalo, NY, © 1989 for English translation, p.464 (emphasis added).


The pope must perform this consecration together with all of the bishops of the world, as Our Lady instructed in the Third Apparition of Fatima, July 13, 1917. In order to perform this act of consecration, these bishops do not need to have valid sacramental consecrations, but need only to validly wield the episcopal power to govern their respective dioceses. For an explanation of this point, read this article:


A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope – An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

24 The Whole Truth About Fatima, Frére Michel de la Sainte Trinité, translator John Collorafi, vol. II, Immaculate Heart Publications, Buffalo, NY, © 1989 for English translation, p.464 (emphasis added).

25

The Whole Truth About Fatima, Frére Michel de la Sainte Trinité, translator John Collorafi, vol. II, Immaculate Heart Publications, Buffalo, NY, © 1989 for English translation, p.464 (emphasis added).

26 We know that the conciliar rite of consecration is doubtful and so we might possibly have only a very few valid bishops (as far as their sacramental power), viz., possibly only those bishops from Archbishop Lefebvre’s line and any (extremely old) bishops consecrated before late 1968. For an explanation why the conciliar rite of consecration is inherently doubtful, read this article: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49oPuI54eEGZVF5cmFvMGdZM0U/view

27 Read this article: A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope – An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

28 The pope and hierarchy have not obeyed Our Lord’s command and consecrated Russia in the way He commanded. Read this thorough analysis of this issue: Did the Pope’s Consecration Fulfill Heaven’s Command? No!, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2022/04/20/did-the-popes-consecration-fulfill-heavens-command-no/

29 See the history of monarchy in various countries, e.g., England and France, where historians describe the monarchy (which had been cut off) as having been “restored”.  One example of this description of a monarchy interrupted by revolution and then later restored, is the Bourbon Restoration in France after the French Revolution and the Napoleonic years.  Here is how one historian described this restoration of a king in the Bourbon line:

The Bourbon Restoration was the period of French history following the first fall of Napoleon in 1814 and his final defeat in the Hundred Days in 1815, until the July Revolution of 1830.  The brothers of the executed Louis XVI came to power and reigned in highly conservative fashion.  Exiled supporters of the monarchy returned to France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration

30 It is always true, of course, that we must resist any leaders, including Church leaders, if they command evil. For example, St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, teaches us that we must resist a pope who uses his office to attack souls (whether through false doctrine or bad morals). Here are St. Robert Bellarmine’s words:

Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge, to punish, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.

De Romano Pontifice, St. Robert Bellarmine, Bk.2, ch.29 (emphasis added). For a full explanation of this important Catholic principle, read this article:

Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/

31 Quoted from The Catechism of St. Pius X, Section: Creed, Subsection: Article 9, Q.8 (emphasis added).

32 Pope and Doctor of the Church, St. Gregory the Great, taught this truth in the following words:

Know that evil ought never to be done through obedience, though sometimes something good, which is being done, ought to be discontinued out of obedience.

De Moral., bk. XXXV, §29 (emphasis added).

Regarding the true, Catholic virtue of obedience, read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/

We Must Pray for the Pope, Especially at Mass!

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the sixteenth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this sixteenth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier fifteen articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (i.e., believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.10

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial claim of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.11

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.12

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority but resist the evil of his words or deeds.13

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can know what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting heresy or other error.14

In the thirteenth article of this series, we saw the falsehood of a related sedevacantist error (or “half-truth”), claiming that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.15

In the fourteenth article of this series, we considered another way to see that sedevacantism is wrong and sinful, viz., because it is the sin of revolution.16

In the fifteenth article of this series, we saw that even though Pope Leo XIV is objectively a very bad pope, all Catholics are in communion with him, since this is an essential condition of being Catholic and not schismatic.

Further, some sedevacantists (and a smaller number of other confused persons) make a related false argument directed against Catholics. They say that we must not pray for the pope in the Canon of the Mass because doing so would mean that we adopt his errors.

Traditional Catholics who have never heard of this error, might be tempted to think the error is so “far-fetched” that a non-sedevacantist could never really think it was wrong to pray for the pope at Mass. However, tragically, some persons have been fooled by the claim that praying for the pope in the Canon of the Mass somehow means that we adopt his errors. In fact, one non-sedevacantist priest in Canada was fooled into not praying for the pope in the Canon of the Mass and subsequently succumbed to the error of sedevacantism.

Below, we address the question whether praying for the pope in the Canon of the Mass indicates that we adopt the pope’s errors.

We Must Pray for the Pope, Especially at Mass!17


An examination of the erroneous argument claiming that we should not insert the pope’s name in the Canon of the Mass


It is our duty to pray for others. When we pray the Mass, this is an especially perfect time to do this, since it is the infinitely meritorious sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Further, every pope has the frighteningly grave responsibility for the souls of everyone in the world, especially for Catholics. Thus, we should continually pray for the pope, and most especially when we pray the Mass. (Of course, in our current times, where most faithful and informed Catholics do not have access to an uncompromising priest, these prayers for the pope should be offered while sanctifying the Sunday without a priest.)18


In a previous article (#15) we saw that we Catholics are in communion with the pope – whether he is good or bad – and we are also in communion with all other Catholics – whether they are good or bad.


The devil knows the importance of praying for the pope and greatly fears this, especially the efficacious intercession for him at a non-compromised Mass. Satan knows that if God reforms the pope through prayers offered for him, this reformed pope could spiritually transform (the human element of) the Church. Thus, the devil uses every lie and trick he has to discourage prayer for the pope, especially in the Canon of the True Traditional Mass.


One trick the devil uses, is to make priests and people afraid to pray for the pope when they pray the Canon of the Mass, fearing that somehow mentioning the pope’s name in the Canon causes us to affirm we agree with the pope’s errors.19


For a priest not to pray for the pope during the Canon of the Mass is objectively a sin (since he is required to do so), even if no one ever knew the priest made this sinful omission.20


This objective sin is increased if people do find out that the priest does not pray for the pope at Mass, because this omission is an objective sin of scandal, since all priests (and all Catholics) have a solemn duty to pray for the hierarchy, especially the pope.


Also, this scandal is gravely aggravated if anyone is led to conclude that the priest is a sedevacantist (because such a priest – like the sedevacantists – does not pray for the pope).



The Text of the Prayer for the Pope at the Beginning of the Canon of the Mass


Latin English


Te igitur, clementissime Pater, per Jesum Christum Filium tuum, Dominum nostrum, supplices rogamus ac petimus uti accepta habeas, et benedicas haec dona, haec munera, haec sancta sacrificia illibata; in primis quae tibi offerimus pro Ecclesia tua sancta catholica; quam pacificare, custodire, adunare, et regere digneris toto orbe terrarum: una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N., et Antistite nostro N. et omnibus orthodoxis, atque catholicae et aostolicae fidei cultoribus.

Therefore, most gracious Father, we humbly beg of Thee and entreat Thee through Jesus Christ Thy Son, Our Lord. Hold acceptable and bless + these gifts, these + offerings, these + holy and unspotted oblations which, in the first place, we offer Thee for Thy Holy Catholic Church. Grant her peace and protection, unity and guidance throughout the world, together with Thy servant [name], our Pope, and [name], our Bishop; and all Orthodox believers who cherish the Catholic and Apostolic Faith.


Memento, Domine, famulorum, famularumque tuarum N. et N. et omnium circumstantium, quorum tibi fides cognita est, et nota devotio, pro quibus tibi offerimus. vel qui tibi offerunt hoc sacrificium laudis pro se, suisque omnibus, pro redemptione animarum suarum, pro spe salutis, et incolumitis suae; tibique reddunt vota sua aeterno Deo, vivo et vero.


Remember, O Lord, Thy servants and handmaids, [name] and [name], and all here present, whose faith and devotion are known to Thee. On whose behalf we offer to Thee, or who themselves offer to Thee this sacrifice of praise for themselves, families and friends, for the good of their souls, for their hope of salvation and deliverance from all harm, and who offer their homage to Thee, eternal, living and true God.

(Emphasis added.)



Una cum Papa nostro Leone


When we pray in the Canon of the Mass: “una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro, [name]”, this phrase is part of the same sentence in which we offer the oblation for the Church because we offer this oblation for the Church and also (i.e., together) for the pope (and the bishop, etc.).


Some people mistakenly think “together with” means that we declare we are together in mind with the pope in whatever he teaches. In other words, such a false claim asserts that putting the pope’s name in the Canon declares we are united (“together”) with the pope in whatever he believes. There are six reasons why this is false:


  1. In this prayer, the pope is mentioned in the middle of a longer “list”. The prayer offers the oblation for the Church, then there is mention of the pope, then the bishop, then all Catholics and finally in the next prayer, we recall the people near and dear to us “on whose behalf we offer” this same oblation. This list has a clear order. We pray for the Church, then those governing the Church, then all members of the Church and lastly, those near and dear to us whether or not our loved ones are Catholics.

    This grouping and the whole progression of thought shows that the reference to the pope and bishop is our prayer for them and is offering the oblation for them. It is unreasonable to understand this prayer as a declaration of solidarity: viz., as if the prayer were to state that we offer this oblation for the Church, then we declare we believe whatever the pope and others believe, and lastly we offer the oblation for those people dear to us.


If we were to wrongly assume (as this false claim does) that we break up the series of persons for whom we offer up the oblation, in order to declare sameness in beliefs with the pope, why wouldn’t we declare that we believe what the
Church teaches, rather than only the pope? Whatever the holy and infallible Catholic Church teaches, we must always believe because it is always true. By contrast, we believe what the pope teaches only when he teaches what the Church teaches. (Any errors that the pope teaches are not the teaching of the Church nor are they worthy of belief.21) Plainly, it is wrong to think this prayer of the Canon unites us to whatever the pope teaches.

The Canon is the perfect time to pray for the pope, when we mention him immediately after we pray for the Church. Because the Canon of the Mass is perfect, we would expect the perfection of the Canon to include both the prayer for the Church and for the pope. This is a further reason to understand the prayer this way.

  1. That the oblation is offered for all of these listed persons is further shown by this prayer (in the Canon) where it says the offering is made for the Church “in the first place”, and then proceeds to mention the pope, bishop, all Catholics and lastly those near and dear to us. This prayer’s phrase “in primis” (i.e., “in the first place”) shows that the offering will also then be made for others, the pope being the very next one listed.

  2. That this reference to the pope (and bishop) is a prayer for him (rather than joining in his ideas), is shown by what the pope and bishops themselves say when they offer Mass. As the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia explains:


A diocesan bishop in saying Mass changes the form “et Antistite nostro N.” into “et me indigno servo tuo” [
i.e., “and me thy unworthy servant”]. The pope naturally uses these words instead of “una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N.”, and omits the clause about the bishop.22


In other words, the pope and bishop pray for themselves and offer the oblation for themselves. They plainly are not saying that they unite with themselves and believe whatever they themselves believe. As they pray for themselves in the Canon, likewise we pray for them in the same place, by inserting their names (and we are not declaring that we believe whatever they teach).

  1. This groundless fear (viz., the fear of adding the pope’s name in the Canon) also ignores Church history. From the earliest days of the Church, the Canon of the Mass has included a prayer interceding for the Church, the pope, the bishop and Catholics generally, as well as (in some earlier manuscripts) also intercession for the emperor and for the priest celebrating the Mass.23 The prayer was worded in various ways but always had this same intercessory meaning. That same meaning continues in the wording of the traditional missal we use.


By contrast, throughout the history of the Mass, in all the various formulations of the prayers in early manuscripts, the Mass has never included a declaration of solidarity in belief with the pope, as is baselessly feared by those who fear to include the pope’s name in the Canon.


  1. There have been popes at different times of Church history who had problems in word or deed. If each person were supposed to decide whether to withdraw the pope’s name from the Canon of the Mass and not pray for him, this would create chaos. To take only two examples:


  1. Pope Innocent VIII (1484 -1492) had illegitimate children whom he publicly acknowledged.24 Pope Innocent VIII was so shameless that while his own illegitimate son was at the papal court and in the immediate papal circle, this son “paraded the streets at night … forced his way into the houses of citizens for evil purposes” and similarly led a life of avarice and debauchery.25

Should Catholics have not prayed for Pope Innocent VIII in the Canon of the Mass under the theory that the pope’s open shamelessness was equivalent to showing that the virtue of purity is optional and therefore this pope was unworthy of prayers in the Canon of the Mass?


  1. Pope Nicholas I taught the heresy “that baptism was valid, whether administered in the name of the three Persons or in the name of Christ only.”26 Should each person at the time have decided if Pope Nicholas’ heresy meant he should be cut off from the prayers he greatly needed?


How great a division it would sow among Catholics if this wedge of discord and chaos were permitted to exist among the faithful! This would mean that faithful Catholics would shun priests who refused to pray for the pope during the Canon and confused Catholics would refuse priests who prayed for the pope in the Canon.



  1. The pre-Vatican II commentators unanimously explain this passage of the Canon as a prayer (intercession) for the pope, not a declaration of united belief with the pope. Here is a small sample of such commentaries:


  • The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia explains: “The priest prays first for the Church, then for the pope and diocesan ordinary by name.”27


  • The book entitled The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass explains: “[We have] a special and express offering and prayer for the Pope and for the chief pastor of the diocese in which the holy Mass is celebrated. … It is proper that, throughout the entire Church, the Pope should be prayed for and the Sacrifice be offered for him …”.28


  • The book entitled The Mass, A Study of the Roman Liturgy explains: “The Intercession (from “in primis”) … begins by praying for the Church, Pope, bishop and the faithful.”29


  • The commentator in The St. Andrew’s Daily Missal notes at the Canon’s “in primis” that the priest “prays for the living heads and members of the Church Militant”.30

Conclusion: for all six reasons, it is plain that we insert the pope’s name in the Canon in order to pray for him (not to declare we believe whatever he believes). The pope is the only one on earth who can authoritatively reform the (human element of the) Church. Although we reject the pope’s errors, we must pray for him unceasingly (especially when praying the Mass), that he reverses his own course and leads souls back to the traditions of the Church.



The Devil Uses a Second False Reason to Eliminate Prayers for the Pope at Mass


Some Catholics plainly see that this prayer in the Canon is a prayer for the pope (not a declaration that we believe whatever he believes). Yet they do not pray for the pope at Mass. Their reason for this is that they are troubled by the scruple that somehow it is a sin to pray for a bad pope in the Canon of the Mass because this prayer is the Church’s public prayer, and that it would be a scandal to pray for any bad man (including a bad pope) in the Church’s public prayer. (These misguided people think it is fine to pray for a bad pope in private prayer, but not the Church’s public prayer.)


But this scruple ignores Common Sense, Church history, and Ecclesiastic Tradition.


First, common sense: our prayers for anyone beg God’s help for the person. Those prayers don’t show the person is perfect but are asking God to change and perfect him. So it is the most natural thing for loyal sons of the Church to pray publicly for bad leaders, especially when praying the Mass.


Second, Church history: through many hundreds of years, it was the practice of good priests, bishops and laymen to publicly pray in the Canon of the Mass, for the emperor – not only for a good emperor but for whoever was the emperor, good or bad. Similarly, when we pray the Mass, our prayers for the pope are not conditioned on the spiritual condition of his soul.


Third, Ecclesiastical Tradition: the prayers of Good Friday (going back almost 1800 years31) not only pray for the pope (for any pope, whether good or bad) but also publicly pray for the worst of men: heretics, schismatics, Jews, and pagans, who are inherently bad because they oppose Our Lord and His Church.



Conclusion


It is plain that, however much evil the pope is doing, we should pray hard for him, including public prayers and especially at Mass. Let us unite in fervent prayer for the pope – especially when praying the Mass – that God change his heart and enlighten his mind.

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article: The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, IS the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-man-whom-the-whole-church-accepts-as-pope-is-the-pope/

11 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


12 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


13 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


14 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

15

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope — An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

17 Of course, in our current times, where most faithful and informed Catholics do not have access to an uncompromising priest, these prayers for the pope should be offered while sanctifying the Sunday without a priest.

18 We at Catholic Candle don’t know of any uncompromising priest or group, although that does not mean that there is not one (we just don’t know about him). https://catholiccandle.org/2021/07/02/the-reckless-claim-that-there-are-no-good-priests-left/


We recommend that you do what we do: we sanctify the Sunday at home. https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/sanctifying-sunday-no-mass.html


Even if we don’t "feel" content with our feelings, nonetheless with our will and intellect (the important faculties) we should be perfectly content without the Mass and Sacraments when they are not available without compromise. 

https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/complete-contentment-without-the-mass-when-it-is-not-available-without-compromise.html


Our times are times of great blessings! We hold that this is a glorious time to be Catholic and to live for Christ the King! https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/it-is-a-blessing-to-live-during-this-great-apostasy.html


We must continually guard ourselves against having a “go along” mentality. https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/we-must-neither-follow-bad-catholics-nor-rashly-judge-them


We must have hope because God is in charge and everything that happens that is truly out of our control is God’s Will for us. We keep in the front of our memory that all things “work together unto the good, for those who love God”.  Romans, 8:28. 

https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/hope-during-the-current-great-apostasy


19 Although no sedevacantists pray for our pope at Mass (because they deny he is pope), even some sedevacantists correctly understand that putting the pope’s name in the Canon is praying for him, not declaring that we believe and adopt whatever errors he teaches.

20 We don’t judge the interior, subjective culpability of such a priest or anyone else who holds this error. See, the Catholic Candle article against the sin of rash judgment: https://catholiccandle.org/2024/10/24/are-we-allowed-to-decide-that-pope-francis-knows-he-is-not-catholic/

21 Previously, we saw (in the fifth article of this series) that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history. Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.



22 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, article Canon of the Mass, vol. 3, p.262.

23 See, e.g., The Mass, A Study of the Roman Liturgy, by Adrian Fortescue, Longmans, Green & Co., London, © 1930, pp. 153 & 157 & Ch. III (entitled The Origin of the Roman Mass).

24 Popes Through The Ages, by Joseph Brusher, Van Nostrand ,Princeton, N.J., ©1959, article under Pope Innocent VIII, available here: https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/popes-through-the-ages-13701



25 History of the Popes, Ludwig Pastor, edited by Frederick Ignatius Antrobus, Vol. 5 p.354. This quote comes from a 28 volume set written between 1886 and 1930. The volumes of the English translation contain no copyright dates.

26 Cardinal Henry Newman’s treatise On The True Notion of Papal Infallibility. Cardinal Newman cites this example quoting St. Robert Bellarmine in De Rom. Pont., iv. 12.

27 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, article Canon of the Mass, vol. 3, article Canon of the Mass, p.262.


28 Rev. Dr. Nicholas Gihr, Herder, St. Louis, 1941, pp. 596-97.

29 The Mass, A Study of the Roman Liturgy, by Adrian Fortescue, Longmans, Green & Co., London, © 1930, p.329 (parenthetical comment in original).

30 The St. Andrew’s Daily Missal, Dom Gaspar Lefebvre, O.S.B., Lohmann © 1945, p.972.

31 The Mass of the Roman Rite, Josef Jungmann, Benzinger Brothers, New York, 1955, English Edition, translator Francis Brunner C.SS.R., Volume I pp. 481-2.

All Catholics are in Communion with the Pope

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Awhile back, a reader forwarded to us a question (below) which he found posted on a sedevacantist website. The question (which was directed to non-sedevacantists) troubled him. He asked how Catholics should respond to this question. We answer below, but change the name (Pope Francis) to reflect the current pope (Pope Leo XIV).

Below is the fifteenth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this fifteenth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier fourteen articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (i.e., believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.10

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial “argument” of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.11

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.12

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority as pope but resist the evil of his words or deeds.13

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can know what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting error.14

In the thirteenth article of this series, we saw the falsehood of a related sedevacantist error (or “half-truth”), claiming that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.15

In the fourteenth article of this series, we considered another way to see that sedevacantism is wrong and sinful, viz., because it is the sin of revolution.16

In the fifteenth article of this series, we address a question which arises because we see that Leo XIV is Pope:

Does that mean we are in communion with him?

Below, we address that question.

All Catholics are in Communion with the Pope

Sedevacantists attempt to show that their own Catholicism is “exalted and pure” by saying that they are not, and would never be, connected with that man (who is our pope) because his words and deeds are often so problematic, scandalous, and heterodox.

So these sedevacantists attempt to pressure Catholics into becoming schismatics (like themselves), by urging those Catholics: “Don’t be in communion with that man (viz., the pope)!”, suggesting that somehow it is un-Catholic to be in communion with a bad pope.

So the question arises: Are we Catholics really in communion with the pope, even when he is a bad, scandalous pope or teaches heresy? In this article, we examine that question.


Answering a Sedevacantist Question

The sedevacantists’ question:

Are you in communion with “Pope” Leo and his religion?

Catholic Candle note: the quotation marks (around the word “Pope”) are in the sedevacantists’ original question, indicating they don’t believe he is a real pope. Again, though, the sedevacantists’ original question said “Francis” not “Leo”.

The sedevacantists’ question is deceptively-framed in two ways

  1. We interpret the question’s reference to his religion, as a reference to the new conciliar religion (not Catholicism). Through this reference, the question sneaks in the assumption that Pope Leo has a single religion and it is not Catholicism. This sedevacantist ploy tricks an unwary Catholic into conceding this falsehood and participating in the sedevacantists’ rash judgment.17

  2. The question is compound; that is, it is really two questions in one. Thus, it is deceptive (either intentionally or carelessly). The question seeks a single “yes or no” answer, but either answer would be false (see below our two-part, short answer).


Beware of sedevacantist traps for the unwary!


Two-part, short answer to the sedevacantists’ question

  • Part one: All Catholics are in communion with Pope Leo.

However …

  • Part two: No faithful and informed Catholics are members of (i.e., in communion with) the conciliar church (which is a false religion).


Summary of our full explanation below

  1. Although Pope Leo does much evil, he is truly the pope and a member (as well as the head) of the Catholic Church.

  2. To save our souls, we must be members of the Catholic Church.

  3. Because all Catholics are joint members of the Catholic Church along with Pope Leo, all Catholics are in communion with him and with each other.

  4. Although Catholics are joint members of the Catholic Church along with Pope Leo, this does not also make us members of whatever other groups he belongs to, including the conciliar church.

Below, we discuss each of these four points.

  1. Although Pope Leo does much evil, he is truly the pope and a member of the Catholic Church.

As we have seen in past Catholic Candle articles, the Catholic Church infallibly teaches that we will always have a pope and we are not in a 67-year papal interregnum (as most sedevacantists pretend).18 (An interregnum is a period during which the papal throne is briefly vacant between the death (or abdication) of one pope and the election of a new pope).

Presently, our pope is Pope Leo XIV because he is visible to all (as a pope must be)19 and because virtually all Catholics accept him as pope (as is true of every pope).20

Pope Leo is a bad pope and a bad father.21 We must oppose the evil he does22 but must avoid the sedevacantists’ (objective) mortal sins of rashly judging his interior culpability and of denying that he is the pope or is even Catholic.23

This is like a child who has a bad father denying the paternal relationship. That would be wrong. Instead, if the father is bad, then the child must still recognize the paternal relationship and his father’s authority but also refuse to be led astray if his father attempts to cause him to sin.


  1. To save our souls, we must belong to the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that Outside the Church there is no Salvation.24 Thus, to save our souls, it is absolutely necessary that we are members of the Catholic Church.

  1. Because all Catholics are joint members of the Catholic Church, with Pope Leo, we are in communion with him.

“Communion” is the mutual connection between members of the Catholic Church.25

All Catholics are in communion with the pope and with each other because we are all mutually connected as members of the Church under one head, the pope. Id.26

A person can only belong to the Catholic Church by being in communion with all Catholics, under one head, viz., the reigning pope.27 Without being in communion with the pope and all other Catholics, a man is in schism and is outside the Catholic Church.28

  1. Although Catholics are joint members of the Catholic Church with Pope Leo, this does not make us members of whatever other groups he belongs to, including the conciliar church.

Everyone is a member of many groups. For example, at the same time, a person can be:

  • a son in one group (a particular family);

  • a father in another group (a different family);

  • an employee in another group (his corporate employer);

  • a coach in another group (a sports team);

  • a parishioner in another group (a parish);

  • a member of a civic orchestra group;

  • a member (i.e., resident) of his state or province;

  • a member (i.e., citizen) of his country;

  • a member of volunteer civic or religious organization;

  • perhaps a member of the true Catholic Church;

  • perhaps a member of the conciliar church or some other false religion29; and

  • perhaps a member of the Freemasons.

Pope Leo, like everyone else, is a member of many groups. Because we are members of the Catholic Church with Pope Leo and acknowledge that he is pope, this does not make us members of any other group to which he belongs. So, for example, we do not become Americans, Peruvians, Chicagoans, Augustinians, or White Sox fans, merely because he is a member of those groups. Similarly, we are not members of (in communion with) the conciliar church30 simply because he is.31


Conclusion

All Catholics are in communion with Pope Leo because we are members of the Church which he governs as pope. Every Catholic is also in communion with all other Catholics, including mainstream “new mass” Catholics.

Our joint membership with Pope Leo XIV in the Catholic Church does not make us joint members (with Pope Leo) of the conciliar church.


To be continued …


Catholic Candle Addendum:

There is No Such Thing as “Partial Communion” with the Catholic Church

From the above article, we see that all persons who are members of Christ’s Mystical Body are Catholics and only they can go to heaven, since There is No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church.

We see from the above article that all Catholics are in communion with all other Catholics and with the Pope, since this is what it means to be Catholic and not be a schismatic.

As St. Thomas teaches:

Now the unity of the Church consists in two things; namely, in the mutual connection or communion of the members of the Church, and again in the subordination of all the members of the Church to the one head, according to Col. 2:18, 19: “Puffed up by the sense of his flesh, and not holding the Head, from which the whole body, by joints and bands, being supplied with nourishment and compacted, groweth unto the increase of God.” Now this Head is Christ Himself, Whose viceregent in the Church is the Sovereign Pontiff. Wherefore schismatics are those who refuse to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.

Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, respondeo (emphasis added).

Noah’s Ark is a figure of the Catholic Church, since all persons outside the Ark perished – just as all persons outside the Catholic Church perish and do not go to heaven. Just as no persons were “partially” in Noah’s Ark, likewise there are no persons who are partially in Christ’s Mystical Body or in “partial communion” with the Catholic Church.

The conciliar church promotes the heresy that a person can be in “partial communion” with the Catholic Church. Vatican II promotes this heresy in many places, for example:

For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Without doubt, the differences that exist in varying degrees between them and the Catholic Church whether in doctrine and sometimes in discipline, or concerning the structure of the Church do indeed create many obstacles, sometimes serious ones, to full ecclesiastical communion. The ecumenical movement is striving to overcome these obstacles. … But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ.

Unitatis Redintegratio, §3, (emphasis added).

But there is no partial communion with the Church! “Whosoever … is not united with the Body is no member thereof, neither is he in communion with Christ its Head.” Pius XI, Mortalium Animos Jan. 6, 1928, §15.


Conclusion

Thus, we see that the same dogma that teaches us that all Catholics are in communion with the pope, also shows us that the conciliar church teaches heresy when it teaches that persons in heretical sects can be in “partial communion” with Christ and His Mystical Body.

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article: The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, IS the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-man-whom-the-whole-church-accepts-as-pope-is-the-pope/

11 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


12 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


13 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


14 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

15

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope — An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

16 Sedevacantism is Un-Catholic Because it is Revolutionary: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/10/26/sedevacantism-is-un-catholic-because-it-is-revolutionary/

17 Sedevacantism’s main error is rash judgment, viz., confusing these two things:

  • our duty to judge a pope’s (or anyone’s) objective error on a matter of Faith (i.e., material heresy); and

  • our duty not to judge that person’s subjective, interior culpability for his error (which would be rash judgment).

Sedevacantists rashly presume that the pope believes some error or heresy which he knows is incompatible with being Catholic now and so he “knows” he is not Catholic but he “won’t admit it”. Concerning the sedevacantists’ error of rash judgment, read the full explanation here:

and

18 Read this article here, showing that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

19 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


20 Read this article: The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, IS the Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-man-whom-the-whole-church-accepts-as-pope-is-the-pope/

21 See, for example, this article: The Blessed Virgin Mary Is the Mediatrix of All Graces – Defending Catholic Doctrine and Our Lady’s Honor Against Pope Leo XIV and the Conciliar Barbarians: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/11/25/the-blessed-virgin-mary-is-the-mediatrix-of-all-graces/


22 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


23 Sedevacantism’s main error is rash judgment, viz., confusing these two things:

  • our duty to judge a pope’s (or anyone’s) objective error on a matter of Faith (i.e., material heresy); and

  • our duty not to judge that person’s subjective, interior culpability for his error (which would be rash judgment).

Sedevacantists rashly presume that the pope believes something (viz., an error) which he knows is incompatible with being Catholic now. Concerning the sedevacantists’ error or rash judgment, read the full explanation here:

and

24 Here is how Pope Boniface VIII infallibly declares this dogma:

With Faith urging us, we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is neither salvation, nor remission of sin.

Unam Sanctam, 1302, Denz. 468.

For more information and more of the Church’s declarations of this dogma, read this article: https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/priests/williamson-bishop-williamson-promotes-vatican-ii-heresy-that-people-can-be-saved-outside-the-catholic-church.html

25This article (linked immediately above) discusses Vatican II’s and Bishop Richard Williamson’s heresy denying that there is No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. This is one of very many heresies of Vatican II and of Bishop Williamson.

Here is how St. Thomas Aquinas admirably explains this truth:

Accordingly, schismatics properly so called are those who, willfully and intentionally separate themselves from the unity of the Church; for this is the chief unity, and the particular unity of several individuals among themselves is subordinate to the unity of the Church, even as the mutual adaptation of each member of a natural body is subordinate to the unity of the whole body. Now the unity of the Church consists in two things; namely, in the mutual connection or communion of the members of the Church, and again in the subordination of all the members of the Church to the one head, according to Col. 2:18, 19: “Puffed up by the sense of his flesh, and not holding the Head, from which the whole body, by joints and bands, being supplied with nourishment and compacted, groweth unto the increase of God.” Now this Head is Christ Himself, Whose viceregent in the Church is the Sovereign Pontiff. Wherefore schismatics are those who refuse to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.

Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, respondeo (emphasis added).

26 In other words, “communion” is the union which binds together the members of the Church. Here is how Addis & Arnold explain this meaning of “communion”, in their very large, 1884 Catholic Dictionary:

Communion of Saints is mentioned in the ninth article of the Apostle’s Creed, where it is added, according to the Roman Catechism [i.e., the Council of Trent Catechism], as an explanation of the foregoing words, “I believe in the holy Catholic Church.” The communion of saints consists in the union which binds together the members of the Church on earth, and connects the Church on earth with the Church suffering in Purgatory and the triumphant in heaven.

(1) The faithful on earth have communion with each other because they partake of the same sacraments, are under one head, and assist each other by their prayers and good works.

A Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold, The Catholic Publication Society, New York, 1884, under the entry, Communion of Saints (bracketed words and emphasis added).

27 Here is how Pope Boniface VIII declares this truth:

We declare, state, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Bull Unam Sanctam.

Here is how Pope Pius IX declares this truth:

There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church.

Singulari Quidem, §4 (emphasis added).

28 Here is how St. Thomas Aquinas admirably explains this truth:

Schismatics are those who refuse to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.

Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, respondeo.

All Catholics have a duty to recognize that the current pope has authority over us. Even though we frequently cannot do what the pope commands us or hold what he teaches, we must “acknowledge his supremacy”, as St. Thomas teaches we must (in the quote above).

We must do what the pope commands us to do and believe what he teaches, when we can do so in good conscience. Thus, for example, if Pope Leo XIV commanded Catholics to recite at least five decades of the rosary each day, under pain of sin, we would be bound in conscience to do this, under pain of sin.

29 An objection could be made here that a Catholic cannot (at the same time) also be a member of a false religion or of the freemasons. A faithful and informed Catholic knows that being a Catholic is incompatible with belonging to these groups. However, in our time of ecumenism and religious ignorance, much is scandalously permitted that is evil. Catholics are allowed to largely do what they want to do and might not know the truth or might do what they want to despite it being sinful. Do they know better? God will judge. Even though this dual membership (viz., in the Catholic Church and in some false “church” or freemasonic lodge) is an objective mortal sin, we must not judge the sins on their hearts.


It would be the sin of rash judgment for us to decide the subjective culpability of a particular person who tries to, at the same time, be a member of the Catholic Church and also be a member of an anti-Catholic group. Thus, for example, we do not make the determination that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was no longer a Catholic (although he professed to be Catholic) based on the fact that he was also a freemason at the same time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart

30

The conciliar church is not merely a mindset or a set of opinions, but is a real, organized group of persons. Read the full explanation here: https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/priests/sspx-faithful-and-informed-catholics-reject-even-the-concept-of-recognition-by-modernist-rome.html

31 Of course, it would objectively be a mortal sin for a Catholic to join a false religion. However, suppose a very confused Catholic thinks the Catholic Church allows this dual membership (in the Catholic religion and also some other religion). Suppose also he believes he continues to fulfill all conditions for being Catholic. We should not rashly judge that we know he is not Catholic and that if he dies as he is, we would be certain he will go to hell (as would be true if we knew he were not Catholic). Giving him (and everyone else) the benefit of the doubt, we suppose he could possibly be inculpably ignorant and God will judge this, not us.

The Blessed Virgin Mary Is the Mediatrix of All Graces

Catholic Candle note: The article below pertains to one of the many scandalous errors that Pope Leo XIV has promoted, to date, during his short reign. However, a reader would be mistaken to assume that Pope Leo XIV’s grave errors somehow mean that he is not the pope.

Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Here is what St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Doctor of the Church, teaches concerning our duty to recognize and respect the authority of a superior – such as the pope – even when he is very bad:

Even should the life of any superior be so notoriously wicked as to admit of no excuse or dissimulation, nevertheless, for God’s sake, Who is the source of all power, we are bound to honor such a one, not on account of his personal merits, which are non-existent, but because of the divine ordination and the dignity of his office.1

However, even while recognizing the pope’s authority and our duty to obey him when we are able, we know we must resist the evil he says and does. Read more about this principle here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/

To learn more about why sedevacantism is wrong and why it is schism, read Sedevacantism: Material or Formal Schism, which is available:

Defending Catholic Doctrine and Our Lady’s Honor
Against Pope Leo XIV and the Conciliar Barbarians

The Catholic Church originally set the feast of Our Lady, Mediatrix of All Graces, on May 31 of each year. In the 1962 Missal (which is inferior to the Missals preceding it), this feast of Our Lady was moved to May 8 by the liturgical barbarian, Annibale Bugnini.


The Conciliar Church Minimizes Our Lady

One of the hallmarks of the ongoing, evil, conciliar revolution is the continual efforts to minimize the honor of the Glorious Mother of God.

For example, Vatican II admonishes us to beware of being excessive in our praise for Our Lady. Here are the council’s words in one place:

[The council] exhorts theologians and preachers of the divine word to abstain zealously both from all gross exaggerations as well as from petty narrow-mindedness in considering the singular dignity of the Mother of God.2

This type of admonishment is sprinkled throughout the council’s documents. Such warnings are not strictly and literally false, because we should always avoid being “excessive” in any way, since anything “excessive” is always bad and unreasonable. However, the council’s admonishment here is a message to people to be less devoted to our Lady and to not emphasize her greatness.

This message is similar to warning people to “avoid excessive trust” in the honesty of a particular man whenever that man’s name is mentioned. That warning would clearly indicate to people that they should trust this man less. Likewise, the conciliar warnings to “zealously” (!) avoid “excessive” devotion to Our Lady tell people to be less devoted to her.

Woe to these men (and all) who insult Our Lord by dishonoring His Mother in this way! Pope St. Pius X condemned this type of false (so-called) “zeal” for Our Lord – which Vatican II promoted – and which is an excuse to minimize the honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Here are Pope St. Pius X’s words:

Wretched and unhappy are they who neglect Mary under pretext of the honor to be paid to Jesus Christ! As if the Child could be found elsewhere than with the Mother!3

These conciliar warnings caused true devotion to Mary to plummet and any remaining devotion to her tends to be more shallow and to have a more emotional, less doctrinal foundation. One indication that devotion to her has grown cold, is the fact that true devotion to Mary always comes with an intolerance of heresy, since our Lady crushes heresy. By contrast, intolerance of heresy is almost non-existent in the conciliar church.


Why Does the Conciliar Church Minimize Our Lady?

One reason that the conciliar church minimizes Our Lady is because the conciliar churchmen are ecumenical fanatics. They minimize the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary because that truth irritates the protestants and others who are outside the ark of salvation – which is the Catholic Church. The protestants ignore Our Lady and they vociferously object to the Catholic truth that all of the blessings of God come through the hands of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Thus, Vatican II and the conciliar churchmen minimize the Glorious Mother of God in order to please the enemies of God.

The post-conciliar popes (each in his turn) minimized Our Lady – Pope Francis more than the earlier post-Vatican II popes. Following Pope Francis, Pope Leo XIV continues on that evil conciliar path of minimizing Our Lady’s honor.

Pope Leo XIV Minimizes Our Lady in His Document Entitled Mater Populi Fidelis

Pope Leo XIV is a man of the conciliar revolution and a man of Vatican II. On October 7, 2025, he approved of a new document, Mater Populi Fidelis, which he issued through the Dicastery For The Doctrine of the Faith.

Like Vatican II itself, he warns us that devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary can distract us from her Son. Here are his words:

[A]ny gaze directed at her that distracts us from Christ or that places her on the same level as the Son of God would fall outside the dynamic proper to an authentically Marian faith.4

So, just like Vatican II itself, Pope Leo XIV warns us to beware of zeal for the honor Our Lady because it could detract from the honor of her Son. He unreasonably warns us that gazing at Our Lady can reduce her Son’s honor. Woe to Pope Leo XIV! He shows himself to fall within Pope St. Pius X’s apt description – “wretched and unhappy” – referring to those who minimize Our Lady’s honor.

Of course, the truth is that it virtually never happens that someone is “excessively” devoted to Our Lady! Instead, the opposite is true. We live in a time of gross disregard for the Blessed Virgin Mary. The remedy for the ills of our time is greater devotion to Our Lady.


Mater Populi Fidelis: a Document Which is Wordy, Ambiguous, and Heretical

Pope Leo XIV’s Mater Populi Fidelis is about 19,000 words and largely cautions the reader to be careful not to praise Our Lady too much or to exaggerate her greatness – as if what Catholics need to hear right now is “Beware of excessively praising Mary!”5

This lengthy document (Mater Populi) is wordy, frequently ambiguous, and contains heresy.6 Its thrust is to minimize the importance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and devotion to her.

The evils of Mater Populi are too many to cover in a single article. The focus of the present article is the denial of Our Lady’s prerogative and her honor as being the Mediatrix of All Graces.

In this article, we will start by examining the meaning of this title of Our Lady and then review the Catholic Church’s doctrine that Our Lady is truly the Mediatrix of All Graces. After that, we will examine Pope Leo XIV’s evil teachings which are the opposite of this Catholic Dogma.


What Does It mean for Our Lady to Be the Mediatrix of All Graces?

First of all, what is a mediatrix? A mediatrix is a female mediator. Just as we use feminine pronouns for women and girls and male pronouns for men and boys, likewise we use sex-specific suffixes to indicate the gender of a person who has a certain role. For example, a man who delivers food to the tables in a restaurant is called a “waiter” and a woman who does this is called a “waitress”. This “-ress” (or “ess”) ending feminizes the word. There are countless words with such feminized endings, e.g., empress and shepherdess.

A similar Latinized feminine ending to words is “-trix” (instead of “-tress”). Thus:

  • a female executor of a person’s will (and estate) is called an “executrix”.7

  • likewise, Our Lady is called the “Mediatrix of all Graces”.

Ok. So a “Mediatrix” is a Female Mediator. But What Does It Mean for Our Lady to be the Mediatrix of All Graces?

A mediator:

  • is one who helps to resolve a dispute;8

  • occupies a middle position between two parties in disagreement;9 and

  • is a conciliator, an intermediary, a peacemaker, an intercessor.10

So Our Lady is our peacemaker with her Son arising out of mankind’s great offenses against Him. Making peace is accomplished through Sanctifying Grace, as St. Thomas Aquinas teaches:

Sanctifying Grace is given chiefly in order that man’s soul may be united to God by charity.11

This charity is friendship with God and reconciles us with God.12 So Our Lady reconciles us with her Son through Sanctifying Grace.

So Our Lady’s title “Mediatrix of all Graces” refers to her being our help reconciling us with her Son. It is her unique role (and privilege) to assist her Son in distributing to sinners all the graces of His Salvific Act of redemption. By distributing her Son’s graces to men, she is aiding her Son by reconciling mankind to Him.

Our Lady’s assistance to her Son in His work of the sanctification of souls is analogous to a nurse playing a uniquely important role in helping a physician by distributing for him the necessary medicine to his patients. Our Lady uniquely aids her Son although she is not Divine (and although she herself depends on redemption by her Son), just as the nurse is not a physician but can be a unique aid in his work.


Couldn’t God Have Distributed His Graces to Mankind Without Mary?

God could indeed have distributed His graces to mankind without Mary’s aid. This is like the physician (in the example above, who uses the nurse’s help to distribute the medicine) would be capable of distributing the medicine himself. The fact that Our Lady distributes all of the graces of God does not mean that God could not have accomplished this work differently. However, God chose this way to do His work of sanctification because it is the best way.

Reflect on this: God caused the universe to be the best possible one for His own greater honor and glory.13 As the Holy Ghost teaches in the Book of Proverbs: “The Lord hath made all things for Himself”. Proverbs, 16:4. No other motive (other than His own glory) would be worthy of Him.

God could have caused the universe to be different than it is. Two ways God could have caused the universe to be different are: 1) to not redeem man at all, after his fall; or, 2) after He redeemed man, to not use the help of the Blessed Virgin Mary in distributing the graces which He merited for the redemption of man. However, God did redeem man and He did use the help of the Blessed Virgin Mary in distributing the graces necessary for salvation, because this is the perfect way for God to save the elect and God does all things in the best possible way.14

So, as shown below, the Blessed Virgin Mary IS the Mediatrix of All Graces. The reason for this is because God chose the best way to sanctify man and to save the elect. This is like the fact that God chose to redeem man by dying on the cross not because there was no other way for God to accomplish salvation, but because this was the best, most perfect way.

Here is how St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort explains the perfection of God’s plan in making Mary the Mediatrix of All Graces:

God the Holy Ghost entrusted his wondrous gifts to Mary, His faithful spouse, and chose her as the dispenser of all He possesses, so that she distributes all His gifts and graces to whom she wills, as much as she wills, how she wills and when she wills. No heavenly gift is given to men which does not pass through her virginal hands. Such indeed is the will of God, who has decreed that we should have all things through Mary, so that, making herself poor and lowly, and hiding herself in the depths of nothingness during her whole life, she might be enriched, exalted and honored by almighty God. Such are the views of the Church and the early Fathers.15

St. Louis continues:

God in these times wishes his Blessed Mother to be more known, loved and honored than she has ever been. This will certainly come about if the elect, by the grace and light of the Holy Ghost, adopt the interior and perfect practice of the devotion which I shall later unfold. Then, they will clearly see that beautiful Star of the Sea, as much as Faith allows. Under her guidance they will perceive the splendors of this Queen and will consecrate themselves entirely to her service as subjects and slaves of love. They will experience her motherly kindness and affection for her children. They will love her tenderly and will appreciate how full of compassion she is and how much they stand in need of her help. In all circumstances they will have recourse to her as their advocate and mediatrix with Jesus Christ. They will see clearly that she is the safest, easiest, shortest and most perfect way of approaching Jesus and will surrender themselves to her, body and soul, without reserve in order to belong entirely to Jesus. …

All this is taken from St. Bernard and St. Bonaventure. According to them, we have three steps to take in order to reach God. The first, nearest to us and most suited to our capacity, is Mary; the second is Jesus Christ; the third is God the Father. To go to Jesus, we should go to Mary, our mediatrix of intercession. To go to God the Father, we must go to Jesus, our Mediator of redemption.16

Thus, we see that Mary being the Mediatrix of All Graces means that she assists her Son and is our help and our go-between with her Son, not because it was the only way that Our Lord could save souls but because it was the best way and was the way He willed to accomplish this work.

It is Infallible Catholic Doctrine that Mary Is the Mediatrix of All Graces

Mary being Mediatrix of All Graces is an excellent example of a Catholic dogma which was never defined by the Extraordinary Magisterium of the Church but which has always been infallibly taught by the consistent teaching of the Church’s Ordinary Magisterium.

But before we get to some of the principal teachings of this dogma, let us recall some important truths of the catechism concerning the difference between the Church’s infallible Ordinary Magisterium, as compared to the Church’s Extraordinary Magisterium:

  • All that God has divinely revealed to man is called Divine Revelation.

  • Divine Revelation has two founts (i.e., sources): Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

  • Since God is its Author, all that is contained in Divine Revelation is certain, true, and is part of the Catholic Faith.

  • The Catholic Church is the guardian and sole interpreter of Divine Revelation, and teaches the Faithful all the contents of Divine Revelation. This teaching authority is called Her Magisterium.

  • God has given the Church the gift of infallibility – the gift of being unable to err when authoritatively teaching the whole Church anything about Faith or morals.

  • All of these truths which she teaches infallibly are called dogmas (i.e., doctrines).

  • She can teach dogmas to the Faithful using either Her extraordinary infallible Magisterium or Her ordinary infallible Magisterium. Both the ordinary and extraordinary magisterial methods faithfully transmit dogmas to the Faithful without error.


  • The easier method to understand, and the one most Catholics are familiar with, is the extraordinary Magisterium. A declaration of the Church’s extraordinary Magisterium is a single declaration which includes the conditions which show that this single declaration itself is infallible.


  • By contrast, the Church’s ordinary Magisterium is not infallible in virtue of one particular declaration. But it is the chain of teachings by Church authorities which show that the same truth was always taught and held by the Church and for this reason it is included in the body of the truths of the Faith because it was always taught and held by the Church since the time of the apostles.


Having now recalled what it means that a truth is taught by the infallible Ordinary Magisterium of the Church, let us now read a sampling of the most important (among countless other) occasions on which the Catholic Church has taught the dogma that Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces.

We start with some of the many occasions on which the Church taught this doctrine shortly before the Vatican II revolution in the human element of the Church. Then, after these more recent occasions, we will proceed to set forth some of the countless occasions on which this doctrine was taught throughout Church history.

Pope Pius XII – (reigned 1939-1958)

In his encyclical Mediator Dei, Pope Pius XII emphasizes the universality of Mary’s role as dispenser of grace, saying:

She gives us her Son and with Him all the help we need, for God ‘wished us to have everything through Mary’.17

Pope Pius XII declared that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the “the Mediatrix of peace”,18 showing not only that she is mediatrix, but also that her mediation pertains to grace, which is the source of our peace with God (as shown above).

In his Apostolic Exhortation Menti Nostrae, Pope Pius XII declared:

To the Beloved Mother of God, mediatrix of heavenly graces, We entrust the priests of the whole world in order that, through her intercession, God will vouchsafe a generous outpouring of His Spirit which will move all ministers of the altar to holiness and, through their ministry, will spiritually renew the face of the earth.19

Pope Pius XI – (reigned 1922-1939)

When urging the faithful to Eucharistic adoration, Pope Pius XI invokes Our Lady as Mediatrix of All Graces, in the following words:

Let, therefore, this year the Feast of the Sacred Heart be for the whole Church one of holy rivalry of reparation and supplication. Let the faithful hasten in large numbers to the eucharistic board, hasten to the foot of the altar to adore the Redeemer of the world, under the veils of the Sacrament, that you, Venerable Brethren, will have solemnly exposed that day in all churches, let them pour out to that Merciful Heart that has known all the griefs of the human heart, the fullness of their sorrow, the steadfastness of their faith, the trust of their hope, the ardor of their charity. Let them pray to Him, interposing likewise the powerful patronage of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mediatrix of all graces, for themselves and for their families, for their country, for the Church; let them pray to Him for the Vicar of Christ on earth and for all the other Pastors, who share with him the dread burden of the spiritual government of souls; let them pray for their brethren who believe, for their brethren who err, for unbelievers, for infidels, even for the enemies of God and the Church, that they may be converted, and let them pray for the whole of poor mankind.20

When promoting devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, Pope Pius XI closes with this edifying consideration:

Trusting in her intercession with Christ, who whereas He is the “one mediator of God and men” (1 Timothy ii, 5), chose to make His Mother the advocate of sinners, and the minister and mediatress of grace ….21

Pope Pius XI teaches that Our Lady is the mediatrix of all good that comes to us. Here are his words:

We know, though, that everything comes to us from Almighty God through the hands of Our Lady.22

Pope Benedict XV – (reigned 1914-1922) – (including the authority of St. Dominic)

Pope Benedict XV not only taught that Our Lady makes the decisions and administers [the Latin is “administra et arbitra”] all graces given to mankind, but the pope also taught that St. Dominic knew this same truth too. Here are the pope’s words in an encyclical on St. Dominic:

He [St. Dominic] knew that Mary’s influence with her Divine Son was such that whatever graces He confers on men, it was for her to judge and distribute them.23

(Catholic Candle note: When we read the truth (as here) that it was for Mary to judge what graces to give to men, it “goes without saying” that God gave her the knowledge and wisdom to decide perfectly and that her will was perfectly conformed to His Will.)


Pope St. Pius X (1903-1914) – (including the authority of St. Bernardine of Sienna)

This saintly pope declared that Our Lady merited to be “Dispensatrix of all the gifts that Our Savior purchased for us by His Death and by His Blood.”24 The word “dispensatrix” here describes the same role as “mediatrix” of all graces.

Because all good comes from Our Lord through Mary, Pope St. Pius X calls her the “Neck” of the Mystical Body of Christ. Here are his words, quoting St. Bernardine of Sienna:

It cannot, of course, be denied that the dispensation of these treasures is the particular and peculiar right of Jesus Christ, for they are the exclusive fruit of His Death, who by His nature is the mediator between God and man. Nevertheless, by this companionship in sorrow and suffering already mentioned between the Mother and the Son, it has been allowed to the august Virgin to be the most powerful mediatrix and advocate of the whole world with her Divine Son (Pius IX. Ineffabilis). The source, then, is Jesus Christ “of whose fullness we have all received" (John i., 16), "from whom the whole body, being compacted and fitly joined together by what every joint supplieth, according to the operation in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in charity” (Ephesians iv., 16). But Mary, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel (Serm. de temp on the Nativ. B. V. De Aquaeductu n. 4); or, if you will, the connecting portion the function of which is to join the body to the head and to transmit to the body the influences and volitions of the head – We mean the neck. Yes, says St. Bernardine of Sienna, “she is the neck of Our Head, by which He communicates to His mystical body all spiritual gifts” (Quadrag. de Evangel. aetern. Serm. x., a. 3, c. iii.).25

Pope St. Pius X then proceeds to explain in more detail the meaning of Mary being the conduit of all graces from her Son and why this is fitting and is the perfect way for God to accomplish the salvation of the elect:

We are then, it will be seen, very far from attributing to the Mother of God a productive power of grace – a power which belongs to God alone. Yet, since Mary surpasses [praestat] all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno,26 and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus “sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high” (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son – a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).27

Pope Leo XIII (reigned 1878-1903) – (including the authority of St. Bernardine of Sienna)

Pope Leo XIII taught not only that Mary is the distributor of all mercies from God but also that she is the mediatrix between mankind and her Son. Here are the pope’s words:

[B]y the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies [viz., from Our Lord’s Passion and Death] gathered by God; for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ. Thus, as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother. … Mary is this glorious intermediary; she is the mighty Mother of the Almighty; but – what is still sweeter – she is gentle, extreme in tenderness, of a limitless loving-kindness.28

The pope elaborates on this doctrine, teaching that she is the continual Mediatrix of All Graces because she is holier and more pleasing to God than all angels and saints. Here are his words:

The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace; being by worthiness and by merit most acceptable to Him, and, therefore, surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.29

The pope explains that all good comes to us through Mary:

Now may God, “Who in His most merciful Providence gave us this Mediatrix.” and “decreed that all good should come to us by the hands of Mary” (St. Bernard), receive propitiously our common prayers and fulfill our common hopes.30

Adopting the teaching of St. Bernardine of Siena as his own, Pope Leo XIII further teaches that all good comes from God to Christ as Man, and from Christ to His Mother Mary and then from her to us. Here are the pope’s words:

Thus, is confirmed that law of merciful meditation of which We have spoken, and which St. Bernardine of Siena thus expresses: “Every grace granted to man has three degrees in order; for by God it is communicated to Christ [viz., as Man], from Christ it passes to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.”31

The pope states that her power is “all but unlimited” and will last forever:

She who was so intimately associated with the mystery of human salvation is just as closely associated with the distribution of the graces which for all time will flow from the Redemption.

The power thus put into her hands is all but unlimited. … Among her many other titles we find her hailed as “our Lady, our Mediatrix,” “the Reparatrix of the whole world,” “the Dispenser of all heavenly gifts.”32

Pope Leo XIII then turns the eyes of his soul to Our Lady and prays:

O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee; none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.33

Pope Pius IX (1846-1878)

In 1849, in an encyclical on the Immaculate Conception, Pope Pius IX taught that:

God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.34

Pope Pius IX taught many important truths about the Glorious Mother of God and her mediation for us with her Son. For example:

The Mother of God is the seat of all divine graces and is adorned with all gifts of the Holy Ghost. To them Mary is an almost infinite treasury. … The only one who has become the dwelling place of all the graces of the most Holy Spirit. … [She] stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard. … who, is the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world with her only-begotten Son.35


St. Alphonsus de Liguori — Doctor of the Church (1696-1787)

Here is the great Doctor of the Church, St. Alphonsus de Liguori, singing the great glories of the Mother of God:

That Mary was more holy in the first moment of her existence than all the Saints together, is founded on the great office of mediatress of men, with which she was charged from the beginning; and which made it necessary that she should possess a greater treasure of grace from the beginning than all other men together.36

St. Alphonsus explains in what way the Blessed Virgin Mary’s role is necessary, that is, in order for God’s Plan to be perfect:

That it is most useful to have recourse to the intercession of Mary can only be doubted by those who do not have the faith. … [T]he intercession of Mary is even necessary to salvation: we say necessary – not absolutely, but morally. This necessity proceeds from the Will of God Itself, that all graces that He dispenses should pass through the hands of Mary ….37

St. Alphonsus explains further the role of God’s Mother:

We acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the only mediator of justice, as we have stated above, who by His merits obtains for us grace and salvation; but we affirm that Mary is the mediatrix of grace, and although whatever she obtains, she obtains through the merits of Jesus Christ, and because she prays and asks for it in the name of Jesus Christ, yet whatever favors we ask are all obtained through her intercession.38

He [God] takes great complacency [i.e., satisfaction] in seeing His mother honored, and therefore wishes, as St. Bernard says, that all the graces we receive should pass through her hands.39

St. Peter Canisius – Doctor of the Church (1521-1597) – (including the teaching of St. Fulgentius)

Quoting St. Fulgentius with approval, St. Peter Canisius, Doctor of the Church, poetically proclaims that Mary is the ladder of heaven, by which men are saved. Here are his words:

Mary was made the window of heaven because by her, God gave true light unto the world. Mary was made the ladder of heaven because by her, God descended down to earth, that by her also men may ascend unto heaven.40

St. Peter Canisius here poetically teaches, although in other words, that Our Lady is the Neck of the Mystical Body of Christ, through whom her Son’s blessings come to us and through her we go to her Son.

In the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary (also known as the Litany of Loretto) we pray to her as the Gate of Heaven. This invocation has the same meaning, in different poetic words, as calling her our ladder to heaven and the neck of the Mystical Body of Christ. She is our way of getting to heaven and reaching her Son.

St. Thomas Aquinas – Greatest Doctor of the Church (1225-1274)

St. Thomas Aquinas, greatest Doctor of the Church, teaches that Our Lady has so much grace at her disposal that this grace suffices for the salvation of all men and that she is man’s mediatrix with her Son. Here are his words showing how fully endowed Our Lady is with the graces we need:

As much as regards it [viz., grace] overflowing unto all men. For it is a great thing in any saint, when he has so much of grace that it suffices for the salvation of many; but when one has so much that it would suffice for the salvation of all men of the world, this would be the greatest; and this is in Christ, and in the Blessed Virgin. For in every danger, you can obtain salvation from the glorious Virgin Herself.41

Second, here St. Thomas explains that Our Lady fulfills the role of superintending42 the good things we receive from her Son:

At this physical marriage [viz., at Cana, recounted in St. John’s Gospel, Ch.2] some role in the miracle belongs to the mother of Christ, some to Christ, and some to the disciples. When he [viz., St. John the Evangelist] says, When the wine ran out, he indicates the part of each. The role of Christ’s mother was to superintend the miracle; the role of Christ to perform it; and the disciples were to bear witness to it. As to the first, Christ’s mother assumed the role of a mediatrix. Hence she does two things. First, she intercedes with her Son. In the second place, she instructs the servants. As to the first, two things are mentioned. First, his mother’s intercession; secondly, the answer of her Son.43

St. Bonaventure — Doctor of the Church (1221-1274)

St. Bonaventure urges all mankind to praise the Blessed Virgin Mary in these words:

Exalt her and praise her, all the human race: because the Lord my God has given to thee [viz., the human race] such a mediatrix.44

Speaking directly to Our Lady, St. Bonaventure stated:

Thou art the Mediatrix of God, and the lover of men: the heavenly Illuminatrix of mortal men.45

Lastly, St. Bonaventure declares:

Mary is the most faithful mediatrix of our salvation.46

St. Albert the Great – Doctor of the Church (1200-1280)

St. Albert the Great calls Mary the universal dispenser of all of the goods coming from her Son. Here are his words:

The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Queen of all those things of which God is the Lord. In her is known the singular excellence of the true Sun – without corruption, without diminution, or weakening; in which is expressed the special character [viz., Immaculate] of her conception; who is the universal distributor of all goodness.47

St. Anthony of Padua – Doctor of the Church (1195-1231)

St. Anthony of Padua emphasizes Our Lady’s role as mediatrix making peace between God and man:

The Blessed Virgin Mary, our mediatrix, re-established peace between God and the sinner.48

As shown above, Our Lady makes peace between us and her Son by distributing the graces of her Son in order to make us friends of God and no longer His enemies.

St. Bernard of Clairvaux – Doctor of the Church (1090-1153)

Praying to Our Lady, St. Bernard of Clairvaux implores her help as mediatrix, to reconcile us to her Son:

Let thy boundless charity cover the multitude of our sins, and thy glorious fruitfulness bring us an abundance of mercies. Our Lady, Our Mediatrix, present us to Thy Son. Speak for us to Thy Son.49

St. Bernard teaches that Our Lady has this role in the salvation of the elect because that is the way God wants it – the best way:

It was given to Mary that thou mightest receive through her hands whatever good was destined for thee – through her hands … because it is the will of God that we should have nothing which has not passed through the hands of Mary.50

Further, in his hymn Daily, Daily, Sing to Mary (which St. Bernard composed and which emphasizes the truth that Mary is the Mediatrix of all graces), he teaches that “All our graces flow through MaryAdvocateMediatrix of All GraceHeaven’s blessings she dispensesGate of Heaven …”


St. Germanus of Constantinople – Father of the Church (634-740)

St. Germanus teaches:

For in thee also we have been given a pledge of eternal life, and, through thy going [viz., assumed into heaven], in thee we gain a Mediatrix with God.51

St. Ephrem the Syrian – Doctor of the Church (c. 306-373 A.D.)

St. Ephrem says, addressing the Blessed Virgin Mary : “After the Mediator thou art the mediatrix of the whole world ”.52

St. Ephrem also addresses the Mother of God in these words: “In thee, patroness and mediatrix with God53

St. Irenaeus – Father of the Church (circa 125-202 A.D.)

St. Irenaeus compares the New Eve, (viz., Our Lady), to the First Eve, the wife of Adam, declaring that Our Lady was a cause of the salvation of all of the elect. Here are his words:

As she [viz., Eve] who had Adam as her husband, but was nevertheless a virgin, was disobedient, and thereby became the cause of death to herself and to the whole of mankind, so also Mary, who had a pre-ordained husband, and was still a virgin, by her obedience became a cause of her own salvation and the salvation of the whole human race.54

Our Lord Taught Us by His Own Example That Mary His Mother is the Mediatrix of the Good Coming from Him

St. John the Evangelist recounts how, at the wedding feast at Cana, Our Lord performed His first miracle at the behest of His mother (who interceded for a bridal couple).

And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to Me and to thee? My hour is not yet come. His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever He shall say to you, do ye.55

Our Lord does all things perfectly. Here He gives us the perfect example of bestowing His blessings upon people through the intercession (mediation) of His mother. This is how He Wills to bestow His blessings upon us.

As quoted above, commenting on this first of Our Lord’s miracles, St. Thomas teaches that:

The role of Christ’s mother was to superintend the miracle; the role of Christ to perform it; … Christ’s mother assumed the role of a mediatrix. Hence … she intercedes with her Son.56


The Holy Ghost Teaches Us That All Grace Comes Through Mary

In the Book of Ecclesiasticus, it states:

I am the mother of fair love, and of fear, and of knowledge, and of holy hope. In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.57

The Catholic Church teaches us that these words are prophetically spoken by Our Lady and the Church uses them – putting these words in her mouth – in the Mass for the Feast of Immaculate Heart of Mary.

The Holy Ghost, Who is the Chief author of these words, teaches us that all grace comes through Our Lady, His Spouse. She is “the mother” and in her “is all grace of [her Son Who is] the Way and the Truth” and the Life (as Our Lord describes Himself).58


So We See the Catholic Dogma is that Our Lady is Mediatrix of All Graces. What Does Pope Leo XIV Teach in Mater Populi Fidelis?

Pope Leo is largely proving himself to be “cut out of the same cloth” as Pope Francis, minus some of Pope Francis’s attention-grabbing stunts.

Pope Leo XIV falsely teaches that Our Lady cannot be the “universal dispenser of grace”. Here are his words:

No human person — not even the Apostles or the Blessed Virgin — can act as a universal dispenser of grace. Only God can bestow grace, and he [sic] does so through the humanity of Christ. … any expression about her “mediation” in grace must be understood as a distant analogy to Christ and his [sic] unique mediation.59

Notice that this quote – approved by Pope Leo XIV, who is supposedly so “zealous” for the honor of Christ even to the point that he is supposedly concerned that Our Lady will detract from her Son’s honor – nonetheless fails to accord to Our Lord even the customary honor of capitalizing the pronouns which refer to Him.

Here is another of Pope Leo XIV’s insulting denials of Our Lady’s prerogatives:

In the perfect immediacy between a human being and God in the communication of grace, not even Mary can intervene.60

Pope Leo XIV makes it worse by saying not only is Our Lady not the Mediatrix of All Graces, but she is not the mediatrix of any graces:

Neither friendship with Jesus Christ nor the Trinitarian indwelling can be conceived of as something that comes to us through Mary ….61

Pope Leo XIV says that Mary’s role is reduced to desiring good for us, praying for us. He says:

[W]hat we can say is that Mary desires this good for us and she asks for it, together with us.62

Pope Leo XIV says she accompanies us (using the fad conciliar jargon):

[Mary’s role is that] “she has accompanied [her children] on their way to the
Lord.
63

Pope Leo XIV says that Our Lady encourages us, and helps us to prepare ourselves. Also, Pope Leo says – blasphemously – that Mary even helps us to see that she is not a mediatrix with her Son! Here are the pope’s words:

Mary’s motherhood in the order of grace must be understood as a help in preparing us to receive God’s sanctifying grace. This can be seen in how, on the one hand, her maternal intercession is the expression of that “maternal help” which allows us to recognize Christ as the sole Mediator between God and humanity. On the other hand, her maternal presence in our lives does not preclude various actions from Mary aimed at encouraging us to open our hearts to Christ’s activity in the Holy Spirit. In this way, she helps us — in various ways — to prepare ourselves to receive the life of grace that only the Lord can pour into us. 64

Pope Leo XIV explicitly rejects the chain of mediation between God and man:

[O]ne should avoid any description that would suggest a Neoplatonic-like outpouring of grace by stages, as if God’s grace were descending through various intermediaries (such as Mary).65

Notice Pope Leo’s mockery of Our Lady as Mediatrix, by scoffing that it would be “Neoplatonic-like”.

Further, by the scope of his statement (and although presumably unintended by him), Pope Leo XIV seems even to reject that any grace from God “descends” to us through the Human Nature of Christ. Of course, Pope Leo intends by these words (above) to reject the mediation by Our Lady and to specifically reject the three-fold steps from God, to the Man Christ, to His Mother, to us, as traditionally taught by the Catholic Church, for example:

All this is taken from St. Bernard and St. Bonaventure. According to them, we have three steps to take in order to reach God. The first, nearest to us and most suited to our capacity, is Mary; the second is Jesus Christ; the third is God the Father. To go to Jesus, we should go to Mary, our mediatrix of intercession. To go to God the Father, we must go to Jesus, our Mediator of redemption.66

Pope Leo XIV continues, citing and quoting Vatican II, and warns Catholics not “to attribute to her some form of a perfective intervention, perfective instrumentality, or secondary causality in the communication of sanctifying grace 67

The truth, though, is that this secondary causality is exactly what the Church has always infallibly taught about Mary’s role as mediatrix!

Pope Leo XIV denies that Our Lady, is Mediatrix of All Graces, and in this way is God’s tool for our salvation. Here are Pope Leo XIV’s words:

[S]he [viz., Our Lady] does not add anything to Christ’s salvific mediation in the communication of grace, she should not be regarded as the instrumental agent of that free bestowal.68

Further, in the quote below, when denying the dogma of Our Lady, as Mediatrix of All Graces, Pope Leo XIV especially singles out for denial the words of the traditional hymn Hail, Holy Queen Enthroned Above, where the hymn calls Our Lady “The Spring thorough which All Graces Flow”.

Here are Pope Leo’s impious words:

She [viz., Mary] is also frequently portrayed or imagined as a fountain from which all grace flows. If one considers the fact that the Trinitarian indwelling (uncreated grace) and our participation in the divine life (created grace) are inseparable, we cannot think that this mystery depends on a “passage” through Mary’s hands. Such notions elevate Mary so highly that Christ’s own centrality may disappear or, at least, become conditioned.69

Pope Leo XIV’s only “authority” for his denial of the Our Lady, as Mediatrix of All Graces is his fellow conciliar revolutionary and prior conciliar pope, Benedict XVI, before becoming pope:

Cardinal Ratzinger already affirmed that the title “Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces” was not clearly grounded in Revelation.  In line with this conviction, we can recognize the difficulties this title poses, both in terms of theological reflection and spirituality.70

Our Reaction to Pope Leo XIV’s Insults to the Glorious Mother of God

These are wicked words of Pope Leo XIV! These words should make the blood boil of any loyal son of Mary, in a way similar to, but greater than, when a man hears his own earthly mother being ridiculed or insulted.

King St. Louis IX of France advised that attacks on our Holy Catholic Faith are sometimes best answered by deeds:

[N]o man, unless he is a skilled theologian, should debate with Jews.  Instead, when a layman hears the Christian law slandered, he should defend it only with his sword, which he should thrust into the offender’s guts as far as it will go.71

We should respond to Pope Leo XIV’s vile words, not with a sword, but with the spiritual weapon of our Rosaries.

Conclusion

One of the hallmarks of the conciliar revolution is its continual efforts to minimize the Glorious Mother of God. One of the ways we must be counter-revolutionary is by devoting ourselves to her and honoring her at every opportunity, including as the glorious Mediatrix of All Graces!

Truly, Pope St. Pius X’s description – “wretched and unhappy72 – applies well to Pope Leo XIV with his evil program of minimizing the honor of Our Lady.

Let us pray hard for him and to Our Lady, the Mediatrix of All Graces!

1 Quoted from St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Third Sermon for Advent, entitled: On the Three Advents of the Lord and the Seven Pillars which we ought to erect within us.

2 Vatican II’s document, Lumen Gentium, §67 (emphasis added).

To read further about how Vatican II minimized devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, read Lumen Gentium Annotated, by Quanta Cura Press, © 2013, pp.277-301. This book is available at:

3 Pope St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1904, #15 (emphasis added).

4 Mater Populi Fidelis, Section 66, approved by Pope Leo XIV on October 7, 2025 (emphasis added). This document can be found here; https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20251104_mater-populi-fidelis_en.html

5 To start with, notice that the title of Pope Leo XIV’s document (Mater Populi Fidelis) already shows he is minimizing the honor of Our Lady. The document’s title does not compliment or praise her. Rather, it compliments “us”, that is, the people! The title translates to “Mother of the faithful people”.

6 We cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion. Read more about this principle here: https://catholiccandle.org/2024/09/26/cc-in-brief-sedevacantist-questions/

Further, we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics. Read more about this principle here: https://catholiccandle.org/2024/10/24/are-we-allowed-to-decide-that-pope-francis-knows-he-is-not-catholic/

In fact, not only is it possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy but popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history and still continued to be pope. To read an analysis of this principle and especially to consider the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope, read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

11 Summa, IIa IIae, Q.172, a.4, Respondeo.

12 Here is how St. Thomas Aquinas, greatest Doctor of the Church, explains this truth:

It is written (John 15:15): “I will not now call you servants . . . but My friends.” Now this was said to them by reason of nothing else than charity. Therefore, charity is friendship. …

According to the Philosopher (Ethic. viii, 2,3) not every love has the character of friendship, but that love which is together with benevolence, when, to wit, we love someone so as to wish good to him. If, however, we do not wish good to what we love, but wish its good for ourselves, (thus we are said to love wine, or a horse, or the like), it is love not of friendship, but of a kind of concupiscence. For it would be absurd to speak of having friendship for wine or for a horse.

Yet neither does well-wishing suffice for friendship, for a certain mutual love is requisite, since friendship is between friend and friend: and this well-wishing is founded on some kind of communication.

Accordingly, since there is a communication between man and God, inasmuch as He communicates His happiness to us, some kind of friendship must needs be based on this same communication, of which it is written (1 Corinthians 1:9): “God is faithful: by Whom you are called unto the fellowship of His Son.” The love which is based on this communication, is charity: wherefore it is evident that charity is the friendship of man for God.

Summa, IIa IIae, Q.23, a.1, sed contra and respondeo (emphasis added).

13 Here is how St. Thomas explains this truth:

[E]ach and every creature exists for the perfection of the entire universe. Furthermore, the entire universe, with all its parts, is ordained towards God as its end, inasmuch as it imitates, as it were, and shows forth the Divine goodness, to the glory of God.

Summa, Ia, Q.65., a2, respondeo.

14 Here is St. Thomas’ fuller explanation of this truth:

It is the part of the best agent to produce an effect which is best in its entirety; but this does not mean that He makes every part of the whole the best absolutely, but in proportion to the whole; in the case of an animal, for instance, its goodness would be taken away if every part of it had the dignity of an eye. Thus, therefore, God also made the universe to be best as a whole, according to the mode of a creature; whereas He did not make each single creature best, but one better than another. And therefore, we find it said of each creature, “God saw the light, that it was good” (Genesis, 1:4); and in like manner, each one of the rest. But of all together it is said, “God saw all the things that He had made, and they were very good” (Genesis, 1:31).

Summa, Ia, Q.47, a.2, ad 1 (emphasis added).

15 St Louis Marie de Montfort, True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, No. 25 (emphasis added).

16 St Louis Marie de Montfort, True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, No. 55 & 86 (emphasis added).

17 Mediator Dei, November 20, 1947, (quoting St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Doctor of the Church; emphasis added).

18 Ad Caeli Reginam, (On Proclaiming The Queenship Of Mary), October 11, 1954, #51.

19 Apostolic Exhortation, Menti Nostrae, September 23, 1950, #143 (emphasis added).

20 Caritate Christi Compulsi (On the Sacred Heart), Encyclical of Pope Pius XI Promulgated On May 3, 1932, #31 (emphasis added).

21 Pope Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, (On Reparation To The Sacred Heart), May 8th, 1928, #21 (emphasis added).

22 Pope Pius XI, Ingravescentibus malis, September 29, 1937, #32 (emphasis added).

23 Pope Benedict XV, Fausto Appetente Die (On St. Dominic), June 29, 1921, #11.

24 Pope St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1904, #12.

25 Pope St. Pius X, Acta Romani Pontificis, 1904, p.449, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1904, #13 (emphasis added).

26 In other words, the distinction made here is that Our Lord merits the fruits of our redemption through strictly meriting these fruits. Our Lady merits these same fruits from a sort of fittingness, according to God’s Will.


27 Pope St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1904, #14 (emphasis added).

28 Pope Leo XIII, Octobri Mensis, September 22, 1891, #4 (emphasis added).

29 Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda Semper Expectatione (On the Rosary), September 8, 1894, #2 (emphasis added).

30 Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda Semper Expectatione (On the Rosary), September 8, 1894, #11 (emphasis added).

31 Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda Semper Expectatione (On the Rosary), September 8, 1894, #5 (emphasis added; bracketed words added for clarity).

32 Pope Leo XIII, Adiutricem (On the Rosary), September 5, 1895, ##7-8 (emphasis added).

33 Pope Leo XIII, Adiutricem (On the Rosary), September 5, 1895, #9 (emphasis added).

34 Pope Pius IX, Ubi Primum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1849, #5 (emphasis added).

35 Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (On the Immaculate Conception), December 8, 1854 (emphasis added).

36 St. Alphonsus de Liguori, The Glories of Mary, Discourse II on the Birth of Mary (emphasis added).

37 St. Alphonsus de Liguori, The Glories of Mary, Pt.1, ch.5, §1 (emphasis added).

38 St. Alphonsus de Liguori, The Glories of Mary, Pt.1, ch.5, §1 (emphasis added).

39 St. Alphonsus de Liguori, sermon for 5th Sunday after Easter, right at the end (emphasis added; bracketed words added for clarity).

40 Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Ch.2 on the Angelic Salutation (emphasis added).

41 St. Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on the Hail Mary §10 (emphasis added; bracketed words added).

42 “Superintend” means to have or exercise the charge and oversight of. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superintend

43 St. Thomas Aquinas, Lectures on St. John’s Gospel, Ch.2, Lecture 1, #344 (emphasis added; bracketed words added to show the context).

44 St. Bonaventure, Canticles in Honor of Mary, A Canticle on the Model of Isaias (XII) (emphasis added).

45 St. Bonaventure, Hymn after the model of the “Te Deum” (emphasis added).

46 Lecture 9 on the Blessed Virgin Mary, as quoted in St. Alphonsus de Liguori, The Glories of Mary, Pt.1, ch.5 (emphasis added).

47 Quoted from St. Albert the Great, Questions on the Gospels, Q.29, art.2 (emphasis added).

Here is the original Latin (in which it is clear that the “who” refers to Our Lady, by the feminine pronoun “ipsa”):

Ipsa enim omnium quorum Deus dominus est, domina est. In quo notatur singularis excellentia veri solis, sine corruptione, vel diminutione, vel sui degeneratione : in quo exprim.untur proprietates conceptionis. Ipsa enim est divinarum illuminationum inmediate susceptiva, ipsa omnium bonitatum universaliter distributiva. 

48 Sermon on the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, section 11 (emphasis added).

49 St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Sermon for the First Sunday of Advent, Quoted from Sunday Sermons of the Great Fathers, Vol. 1 (First Sunday of Advent) (emphasis added).

50 St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Third sermon for the vigil of the Nativity of Our Lord, On the Three Days, on the Three Watches, the Three Winds, and the Three Unions (emphasis added).

51 Sermon for the Feast of the Assumption of Our Lady, by Father of the Church, St. Germanus, in Sunday Sermons of the Great Fathers, Toal, Vol.4, Regnery & Co., Chicago ©1963, p.421 (emphasis added).

52 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ott, Roman Catholic Books, Fort Collins, CO, ©1954, Bk. 3 part three, p.211 (emphasis added).

53 Quoted from Mariolatry: New Phasis of an Old Fallacy, by Henry G. Ganss , Notre Dame Press, 1897, ch.18 (emphasis added). (This is a book against the error of minimizing devotion to Our Lady.)

54 St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 3, ch. 22 (emphasis added).

55 St. John’s Gospel, Ch. 2, vv. 3-5.

56 St. Thomas Aquinas, Lectures on St. John’s Gospel, Ch.2, Lecture 1, #344 (emphasis added).

57 Ecclesiasticus 24:24-25 (emphasis added).

58 Our Lord teaches that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. St. John’s Gospel, Ch.14, v.6 (emphasis added).

59 Mater Populi Fidelis, §53 (emphasis added).

60 Mater Populi Fidelis, §54.

61 Mater Populi Fidelis, §54.

62 Mater Populi Fidelis, §54.

63 Mater Populi Fidelis, §66.

64 Mater Populi Fidelis, §46 (emphasis added).

65 Mater Populi Fidelis, §55 (parenthetical words in the original).

66 St Louis Marie de Montfort, True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, No. 55 & 86 (emphasis added).

67 Mater Populi Fidelis, §65 (emphasis added).

68 Mater Populi Fidelis, §65 (emphasis added).

69 Mater Populi Fidelis, §45 (emphasis added).

70 Mater Populi Fidelis, §45.

71 These words of King St. Louis IX are quoted in the biography of St. Louis, written by John of Joinville, a courtier and fellow-crusader, Part I, Ch. 53, page 155, of the 2008 Penguin Classics edition which is called Chronicles of the Crusades, translated by Caroline Smith.

72 Pope St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum (On the Immaculate Conception), February 2, 1904, #15.

Sedevacantism is Un-Catholic Because it is Revolutionary

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the fourteenth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this fourteenth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier thirteen articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial “argument” of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.10

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.11

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority as pope but resist the evil of his words or deeds.12

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can know what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting error.13

In the thirteenth article of this series, we saw the falsehood of a related sedevacantist error (or “half-truth”), claiming that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.14

Now, in the fourteenth article in this series, we consider another way to see that sedevacantism is wrong and sinful, viz., because it is the sin of revolution.


Sedevacantism is Un-Catholic
Because it is Revolutionary

Resistance is different from revolt. When someone in authority commands something evil, it is one thing to resist that command, but it is a further step to use that evil command as a basis for rejecting the ruler’s authority as such. This further step is to revolt.

For example, the American revolutionaries considered it evil that King George III imposed taxes on them without their consent, and that he did many other things to which they objected. But the American revolutionaries not only resisted such commands of King George but also used the commands as a (purported) “justification” for their revolution.

In their Declaration of Independence, the revolutionaries objected to many things such as their king “quartering large bodies of armed troops among us”; “imposing taxes on us without our consent”; and “depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury”.

After listing their grievances, the American revolutionaries then did what all revolutionaries do: they said that their ruler was to blame for their own revolution because his conduct caused him to lose his status as their king. The American revolutionaries declared that King George III “whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”

The American revolutionaries did what revolutionaries always do: they declared that their ruler had lost all authority over them. Here are their words:

[T]hese United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved.

Finally, the American revolutionaries then did something else which revolutionaries always do: they declared that it was their right (or duty) to revolt:

[W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations … evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is [the colonies’] right, it is their duty, to throw off such government.

This is what it is to be a revolutionary: to reject and resist not just particular (perhaps evil) commands but to also reject the very authority of one’s ruler.

The American revolutionaries followed the same pattern as countless other revolutionaries, e.g., in France, Russia, Latin America, and the Protestant revolutionaries. In all human history – civil as well as religious – there is not even one revolution15 which the Catholic Church recognizes to have been praiseworthy and not sinful.16

In summary, revolutionaries (including the sedevacantists) follow a common pattern:

  1. they assert that their ruler committed wrongs (whether actual wrongs or merely imagined); and then


  2. they use such wrongs as a basis to declare that their ruler’s own conduct has resulted in his losing his authority to rule them.


The Cristeros were Not Revolutionaries

On a superficial level, a person might have the false impression that the Mexican Cristeros were revolutionaries because they took up arms against their anti-Catholic ruler in the early 20th Century. But the Cristeros’ goal was to defend their priests, their churches, and the Catholicism of their families. The Cristeros resisted the many wrongs committed by their anti-Catholic government. By successfully taking up arms, the Cristeros prevented the anti-Catholic government from unjustly harming them (arresting them, killing them, etc.).

But unlike persons who are revolutionaries, the Cristeros never used their government’s wrongs as a basis to declare that their government had lost all authority over them.17 Instead, by taking up arms, the Cristeros merely prevented their lawful (but anti-Catholic) government from doing the harm it intended.


Sedevacantists are Revolutionaries

Unlike the Cristeros, sedevacantists are revolutionaries. Sedevacantists correctly recognize that the pope has committed many wrongs. Instead of resisting only the pope’s wrongs, the sedevacantists follow the pattern of other revolutionaries by using these wrongs as a basis for denying that the pope has his authority and office. Like other revolutionaries, they blame the pope for their own revolt, saying that his words and actions have caused him to lose his authority over them.

Some sedevacantists vainly attempt to avoid their status as revolutionaries, by saying they are not revolting against their ruler (the pope) because his conduct caused him to lose his status as their ruler (pope). But they fail to see how they beg the question. This would be like the American revolutionaries saying they are not revolting against their ruler (King George III) because his conduct makes him not their real ruler. Such circular “reasoning” merely assumes their conclusion as a premise for their “argument” that they are not revolutionaries. In other words, they would claim that they do not deny the authority of the ruler over them because they deny he has the authority of the ruler over them.

Of course, the Church has had several rulers (popes) in a row since the beginning of the sedevacantist revolution. Having revolted against Pope John XXIII, sedevacantists take as a “matter of course” the rejection of the subsequent popes’ authority, just as the American Revolutionaries took as a “matter of course” that King George III’s successors had no authority over them.

A person might wrongly believe that sedevacantists are not revolutionaries, based on the superficial supposition that revolution must involve physical fighting. But what is essential to revolution is for persons to declare that their ruler has lost his authority to rule them. A revolution need not involve physical fighting. For example, the Hawaiian Revolution of 1893 did not involve any physical fighting. Likewise, any physical fighting was not essential to the Protestant Revolution against the Catholic Church.

Also, a person might wrongly believe sedevacantism is not revolutionary, based on the superficial supposition that revolution must involve deposing a ruler from his throne or office. However, what is essential to revolution is the rejection of a ruler’s authority, but this might pertain to only certain persons or places. For example, in the American Revolution, the colonists did not cause King George III to lose his throne entirely. They succeeded merely in revolting against his authority in the thirteen American colonies. Similarly, the Protestant Revolution did not depose the pope from his throne but the Protestant revolutionaries merely rejected his authority among certain persons or in certain places.


Revolution is Always Wrong

It is un-Catholic to be a revolutionary. All authority comes from God, regardless of the method by which a ruler is chosen to wield civil or religious power. Here is how St. Paul teaches this truth:

[T]here is no power [whether civil or religious] but from God: and those [powers] that are, are ordained of God. Therefore, he that resisteth the power [whether civil or religious], resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation. … For [the ruler] is God’s minister. … Wherefore, be subject of necessity, not only for [the ruler’s] wrath, but also for conscience’s sake.18

Pope Pius IX faithfully echoed St. Paul:

[A]ll authority [whether civil or religious] comes from God. Whoever resists authority resists the ordering made by God Himself, consequently achieving his own condemnation; disobeying authority [whether civil or religious] is always sinful except when an order is given which is opposed to the laws of God and the Church.19

Pope Pius IX taught this same doctrine in his infallible condemnation of the following erroneous proposition:

It is permissible to refuse obedience to legitimate rulers [whether civil or religious], and even to revolt against them.20

Pope Leo XIII taught the same doctrine as St. Paul and Pope Pius IX. Here are Pope Leo XIII’s words:

If, however, it should ever happen that public power [whether civil or religious] is exercised by rulers rashly and beyond measure, the doctrine of the Catholic Church does not permit rising up against them on one’s own terms, lest quiet and order be more and more disturbed, or lest society receive greater harm therefrom.21

Because it is sinful to even willfully desire to sin, Pope Leo XIII taught that even the “desire for revolution” is a “vice”. Auspicato Concessu, §24.

St. Ambrose, Doctor of the Church, teaches this same truth, viz., that Catholics are not revolutionaries and must obey their rulers in those matters that are not sinful. Here are his words:

It is a great and spiritual lesson, which teaches Christians submission to the sovereign power, so that no one will allow himself to break the edicts of a king of the earth.22

Although, as we saw earlier,23 we are not allowed to commit a sin regardless of who commands us to commit the sin, St. Ambrose here teaches us that we are bound in conscience to otherwise submit to the edicts of the ruler. Thus, even more so, we cannot revolt against him.

Because revolution is always wrong, that is why Pope St. Pius X taught that revolutionaries could not possibly be the true friends of the people. Here are his words:

The Church, which has never betrayed the happiness of the people by consenting to dubious alliances, does not have to free herself from the past; that all that is needed is to take up again, with the help of the true workers for a social restoration, the organisms which the Revolution shattered, and to adapt them, in the same Christian spirit that inspired them, to the new environment arising from the material development of today’s society. Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.24


If We Cannot Revolt, Then What Should We Do When We Have Bad Rulers?

Although revolution is forbidden, Pope Leo XIII gave us the remedies of patience, prayer, and resistance to the particular evil commands of a bad ruler. Here are his words:

Whenever matters have come to such a pass that no other hope of a solution is evident, [the doctrine of the Catholic Church] teaches that a remedy is to be hastened through the merits of Christian patience, and by urgent prayers to God.

But if the decisions of legislators and rulers should sanction or order something that is contrary to divine and natural law, the dignity and duty of the Christian name and the opinion of the apostles urge that “we ought to obey God, rather than men” (Acts 5:29).25

St. Thomas offers the same remedy to persons who suffer the evil of a bad ruler:

[S]ometimes God permits evil rulers [whether civil or religious] to afflict good men. This affliction is for the good of such good men, as St. Paul says above [ch.8, v.28]: “All things work for the good, for those who love God.”26

St. Peter, the first pope, infallibly gives the same remedy (prayer and patience) – not revolution – when subjects have a bad ruler. Here are his words:

Be ye subject therefore to every human creature for God’s sake: whether it be to the king as excelling; or to governors as sent by him … Honor the king. … For this is thankworthy, if for conscience towards God, a man endure sorrows, suffering wrongfully. … [I]f doing well you suffer patiently; this is thankworthy before God.27

Notice that the revolutionaries intend the opposite of what St. Peter instructs us to do. They intend not to honor the king but to dishonor him by revolting against him. This is the most extreme way possible to dishonor him in so far as he is their ruler.

Further, St. Peter instructs us to “endure sorrows”, and to “suffer patiently” when we have a bad ruler. By contrast, revolutionaries seek the opposite, viz., to avoid enduring the sorrow of a bad ruler and avoid suffering patiently under him.

Plainly, revolutionaries seek the opposite of what St. Peter instructs us to seek.

The Examples of the Saints Show Revolution is Wrong

Look at the example of Catholics, including great saints like St. Sebastian, who served bravely and faithfully even in the army of the pagan emperors of Rome. They did not revolt, even when their emperor openly sought to kill all Catholics (although, of course, those soldier-saints did not aid in the persecution of Catholics).

Here is Pope Gregory XVI’s praise for those Roman soldier-saints, who were faithful to God first but also to their emperor (whenever the emperor’s commands were not themselves evil):

[T]he early Christians … deserved well of the emperors and of the safety of the state even while persecution raged. This they proved splendidly by their fidelity in performing perfectly and promptly whatever they were commanded which was not opposed to their religion, and even more by their constancy and the shedding of their blood in battle. “Christian soldiers”, says St. Augustine, “served an infidel emperor. When the issue of Christ was raised, they acknowledged no one but the One who is in heaven. They distinguished the eternal Lord from the temporal lord, but were also subject to the temporal lord for the sake of the eternal Lord.”

St. Mauritius, the unconquered martyr and leader of the Theban legion had this in mind when, as St. Eucharius reports, he answered the emperor in these words: “We are your soldiers, Emperor, but also servants of God, and this we confess freely . . . and now this final necessity of life has not driven us into rebellion.” …

Indeed, the faith of the early Christians shines more brightly, if we consider with Tertullian, that since the Christians were not lacking in numbers and in troops, they could have acted as foreign enemies. “We are but of yesterday”, he says, “yet we have filled all your cities, islands, fortresses, municipalities, assembly places, the camps themselves, the tribes, the divisions, the palace, the senate, the forum. … For what war should we not have been fit and ready even if unequal in forces – we who are so glad to be cut to pieces – were it not, of course, that in our doctrine we would have been permitted more to be killed rather than to kill? … [Y]ou have fewer enemies because of the multitude of Christians.”

These beautiful examples of the unchanging subjection to the rulers necessarily proceeded from the most holy precepts of the Christian religion.28

Summary of this Article so Far

As shown above, it is Catholic dogma that revolution is always wrong but that resisting the particular evil commands of our ruler is permitted and sometimes necessary. When resisting is just, such resistance might include taking up arms and fighting the government soldiers who seek to enforce the ruler’s evil orders. The Cristeros did this in Mexico.

If the evil is great enough, the resisters may even place themselves beyond the reach of the harm which the ruler seeks to unjustly inflict on them. The Cristeros did this, succeeding in defending three quarters of Mexico from the anti-Catholic harm attempted by Mexico’s government.29

However, even when strong resistance is justified by the greatness of the evil attempted by the ruler, those persons resisting the evil are not permitted to revolt, i.e., to declare that the ruler has ceased to be their ruler. The ruler does not lose his authority in principle, even when the resisters prevent him by force of arms from accomplishing in practice the evil he wishes to do. This is the meaning of Pope Pius IX’s infallible condemnation of the assertion that “It is permissibleto revolt”. (See above.)

Regarding the early soldier-saints fighting in the Roman army (see above) even while the emperor martyred Catholics: those Catholic soldier-saints faithfully served their emperor in other activities which were honorable and never aided the Roman persecution of Catholics. Those soldier-saints of Rome did not choose to do what the Cristeros did, viz., defend themselves (without revolting). As quoted above, St. Augustine, Pope Gregory XVI and the other authorities do not address the option of armed resistance, while they praise those soldier-saints for not revolting.


A Note About a Different but Related Issue: How Can We Determine Whether a Ruler is the Legitimate Ruler?

Above, we see that Catholics must never revolt against their legitimate ruler (although they may resist his evil commands). However, a person can ask: “How do we know when a ruler is legitimate?”

This article does not lay out principles from which we can know in all cases if a ruler is legitimate. There are many ways a ruler might not be the legitimate ruler. Here is an easy case of a ruler being illegitimate:

When the head of a foreign, attacking army first lands on a country’s soil and immediately declares himself the legitimate ruler of the country simply because he is there and is strong, this seems like an easy case that he is a usurper and not a rightful, legitimate ruler of the country he is attacking. The people of that country can deny his authority over them and fight against him to try to expel him from the country.

In this article, we don’t treat the various possible ways in which a ruler might be illegitimate since we don’t need to do that because the sedevacantists began their revolution against a pope whom they recognize as having been elected at the conclave. The sedevacantists do not raise a doubt about Pope John XXIII’s becoming pope. For example, the sedevacantists do not claim that the papal conclave did not conduct a proper vote. The sedevacantists reject the pope’s authority because of what he did and said, not because he had never been their ruler (pope) in the first place.

This is like the American revolutionaries, who did not say that King George III was never their king, e.g., because he was not the proper heir to the throne of England. Instead, sedevacantists and the American revolutionaries declare that their ruler lost his legitimacy (his authority) because of what he said and did. For this reason, the sedevacantists are revolutionaries.

Thus, although there are many circumstances in which it would not be revolution to deny that a particular ruler was legitimate and had authority because of how he (supposedly) received his office, that is not an issue either with the American revolutionaries or with the sedevacantists who claim their ruler (the king and the pope respectively) lost his authority by his actions.30


Prohibition Against All Revolution Especially Forbids Rebellion Against the Pope’s Authority as Such.

Since the Catholic Church’s ruler, above all others, has authority from God, the prohibition against revolution most of all applies to revolt against the pope’s authority, as such. Thus, St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, explains that:

[I]t is licit to resist the Pontiff who … tries to destroy the ChurchI say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.31

Sedevacantism is an Over-Simplification of the Truth.

A Catholic Dictionary characterizes the traits of revolution in this way:

The methods of the Gospel are not revolutionary; they do not deal in those sweeping general assertions which fuller experience always shows to be but half-truths.32

A sedevacantist exhibits such revolutionary traits. He “leaps” from the truth that the pope has taught and done much evil, to the declaration that we have no pope. Thus, the sedevacantist over-simplifies the truth through sweeping general assertions and half-truths about his ruler (the pope).


Conclusion of This Article

Without judging sedevacantists’ interior culpability, it is nonetheless plain that sedevacantists follow the objectively sinful pattern of revolutionaries. They assert that the wrongs committed by the pope – who is their ruler – are (purported) justification both for declaring he has lost his authority to rule them and that he is not the pope. Thus, we see that, in addition to the other reasons why the sedevacantists are wrong, they are also wrong because they are revolutionaries.


But a Question Arises: If We Cannot Deny that Leo XIV is Pope, Does that Mean We Are in Communion with Him?

Sedevacantists attempt to show that their own Catholicism is “exalted and pure” by saying that they are not, and would never be, connected with that man (who is our pope) because his words and deeds are often so problematic, scandalous, and heterodox.

So these sedevacantists attempt to pressure Catholics into becoming schismatics by urging those Catholics: “Don’t be in communion with that man (the pope)!”, suggesting that somehow it is un-Catholic to be in communion with a bad pope.

So the question arises: Are we Catholics really in communion with the pope, even when he is a bad, scandalous pope or teaches heresy? We will examine that question in a future article.


To be continued …

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


11 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


12 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


13 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

14

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope — An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/09/24/a-man-need-not-be-consecrated-a-bishop-or-ordained-a-priest-to-be-a-valid-pope/

15 Generally, political revolt is called by the name “sedition”, and revolt against the Church, by the name “schism”. But at the root of all such revolts, there is the same “non serviam! which echoes that of Satan, the father of all revolutionaries.


16 If there could ever have been a place and circumstances where revolution could have appeared justified, it would have been a civil revolution by Catholics in newly-apostate England, where the English government inflicted horrors and injustices of every type upon the Catholics. The torture, imprisonment, extreme suffering, and martyrdom inflicted on Catholics and the outrageous confiscation of Catholic property seemed unbearable to many. See, e.g., Chapters 1-3 of Narrative of the Gunpowder Plot, by Fr. John Gerard, S.J., Quanta Cura Press. This book is a fascinating contemporaneous account of the Anglican and Puritan persecutions of Catholics during the reign of King James I, as the context of the Gunpowder Plot.


Because of the Anglicans’ and Puritans’ shocking treatment of Catholics, Guy Fawkes and a few other Catholics devised the Gunpowder Plot to blow-up the parliament building when King James I was there with the rest of England’s leaders. However, the two consecutive popes of the time, as well as all of the Jesuit superiors and priests in England all strongly forbade Catholics to take part in such plots or otherwise to revolt against their rightful King, James I.


In his contemporaneous account of the Gunpowder Plot and the savage persecutions leading up to this plot, Fr. John Gerard explains:


All Catholics received strict commandment from the See Apostolic, that in no case they should stir or attempt anything against His Majesty [viz., King James I of England] or the State [viz., England], and this both from Pope Clement VIII, of pious memory, and from Paulus Vtus [viz., Pope Paul V] that now sitteth in the Chair, who both before and since his assumption to that supreme dignity of governing the Church of Christ, hath showed [sic] himself most earnest to procure the quiet, safety, and security of our Sovereign [viz., King James I], … [and by ordering] that no Catholic people should go about to interrupt or trouble the same [viz., King James I of England] by their impatient proceedings ….


Id., page 120 (bracketed words added to show the context).

17 To read more on the Cristeros, read Latin America: A Sketch of its Glorious Catholic Roots and a Snapshot of its Present, by the Editors of Quanta Cura Press, pp. 40-42, ©2016.

18 Romans, ch.13, vv. 1-2 & 4-5 (bracketed words added; emphasis added).


Also, in another place in Sacred Scripture, God declares: “By Me kings reign, and lawgivers decree just things; by Me princes rule, and the mighty decree justice.” Proverbs, 8:15-16.


19 Qui Pluribus, November 9, 1846, §22 (emphasis added; bracketed words added).


20 Quanta Cura, proposition #63 (emphasis added; bracketed words added).


Pope Pius IX used his ex cathedra (infallible) authority to condemn this error as part of a list of errors contained in the syllabus of Quanta Cura. Regarding these condemnations, the pope said:


We, truly mindful of Our Apostolic duty, and especially solicitous about our most holy religion, about sound doctrine and the salvation of souls divinely entrusted to Us, and about the good of human society itself, have decided to lift our voice again. And so all and each evil opinion and doctrine individually mentioned in this letter, by Our Apostolic authority We reject, proscribe and condemn; and We wish and command that they be considered as absolutely rejected, proscribed and condemned by all the sons of the Catholic Church.

Thus, Pope Pius IX’s condemnation fulfills the conditions for infallibility set out in Vatican I’s document, Pastor Aeternus, because the pope was: 1) carrying out his duty as pastor and teacher of all Christians; 2) in accordance with his supreme apostolic authority; 3) on a matter of faith or morals; 4) to be held by the universal Church.

21

Encyclical, Quod Apostolici muneris, December 28, 1878, §7 (emphasis added; bracketed words added).


22 St. Ambrose, Doctor of the Church, Commentary on St. Luke, 5:1-11.


23 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


24 Pope St. Pius X, encyclical Our Apostolic Mandate, (1910).

25 Quod Apostolici muneris, December 28, 1878, §7 (bracketed words added to show context).

26 St. Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Romans, ch.13, lect.1 (bracketed words added).


27 Here is the full quote:


Be ye subject therefore to every human creature for God’s sake: whether

it be to the king as excelling; Or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of the good: For so is the will of God, that by doing well you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not as making liberty a cloak for malice, but as the servants of God. Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. For this is thankworthy, if for conscience towards God, a man endure sorrows, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if committing sin, and being buffeted for it, you endure? But if doing well you suffer patiently; this is thankworthy before God. For unto this are you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow his steps. Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, did not revile: when he

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suffered, he threatened not: but delivered himself to him that judged him unjustly. Who his own self bore our sins in his body upon the tree: that we, being dead to sins, should live to justice: by whose stripes you were healed. For you were as sheep going astray; but you are now converted to the shepherd and bishop of your souls.


1 Peter, 2:13-25 (emphasis added).

28 Encyclical Mirari Vos, August 15, 1832, §§ 18-19 (emphasis added), quoting and relying on the teaching of St. Augustine (Doctor and Father of the Church), as well as St. Mauritius, and Tertullian (a Father of the Church).

29 Latin America: A Sketch of its Glorious Catholic Roots and a Snapshot of its Present, by the Editors of Quanta Cura Press, p.41, ©2016.

30 Of course, as noted above, having revolted against Pope John XXIII, sedevacantists now take as a “matter of course” the rejection of all subsequent popes’ authority, just as the American revolutionaries took as a “matter of course” that King George III’s successors had no authority over them.

31

De Summo pontifice Book II, Ch. 29 (emphasis added).

St. Robert Bellarmine is here pointing out that whereas the pope can depose the bishop of a diocese because the pope is that bishop’s superior, we cannot depose the pope because no one, including us, is his superior (besides God).


32 A Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold, Article: Slavery, The Catholic Publication Society, New York, 1884, pp.767-68 (emphasis added).

A Man Need Not Be Consecrated a Bishop or Ordained a Priest to Be a Valid Pope

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the twelfth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this twelfth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier eleven articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial “argument” of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.10

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.11

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority as pope but resist the evil of his words or deeds.12

In the twelfth article of this series, we saw how we ordinary Catholic laymen can know what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting error.13

Below, in the thirteenth article of this series, we will examine a related sedevacantist error, claiming we that we have no pope because the conciliar popes had doubtful consecrations and/or ordinations.



An Explanation How the Catholic Church Continues to Possess A Full Hierarchy even in these Times of Great Apostasy

Against the Sedevacantist Argument that only a Valid Bishop Can Be Pope because He is Bishop of Rome

From the many prior articles in this series (linked above), it is plain that sedevacantism is wrong. However, some sedevacantists use a different, more indirect attack on our present pope’s possession of his office. They assert that because one of the pope’s titles is “Bishop of Rome”,14 he cannot be pope because he is not a valid bishop. These sedevacantists then declare that, because conciliar ordinations and consecrations are definitely invalid (so they assert), the more recent conciliar popes cannot be real popes because they are not valid bishops.

While those sedevacantists are rash15 to the extent they claim certitude that conciliar consecrations are invalid, it is true that conciliar consecrations and ordinations are inherently doubtful, and that doubtful sacraments should be treated as invalid (because they might be invalid).16

However, as shown below, a more careful examination of this sedevacantist argument (viz., that the pope must be a valid bishop because he is the Bishop of Rome) shows that even if the pope is a layman (i.e., not a bishop or priest), this is not an obstacle to his valid papacy.

The papacy is a monarchy, giving the pope jurisdiction (i.e., governing authority) over the entire Catholic Church, as Vicar of Christ. But this jurisdiction which is the essence of the papal office, does not require the pope to be a bishop or even a priest, to validly hold the papal office. Certainly, the Catholic Church has good reason for Her custom that the pope be a bishop, because it is very fitting that the ruler over even the bishops, would himself be a bishop.

However, to hold the papal office and possess this universal jurisdiction which the pope has, does not require him to be a bishop as an essential condition which would otherwise prevent him from being pope.

A pope must be a male Catholic17 who has use of his reason when elected. To become pope, any such male Catholic18 only needs to be elected and to consent.19 By being elected and consenting, this male would immediately become the pope but he would have the moral obligation to seek Episcopal consecration so he could fulfill the sacramental duties of a pope.20

But once a male Catholic is elected and consents to be pope, he is the pope without any need of ceremony, coronation, or confirmation in office.21

Thus, because all conciliar popes have been Catholic males who had the use of reason, each of them, in his turn, was a valid pope with full papal jurisdiction (to govern), even if he were not a valid bishop (or even a priest) and did not have Episcopal powers to perform sacraments.

With full papal jurisdictional powers, he governs not only the universal Church but he also governs Rome as Bishop of Rome,22 although, again, he could not ordain priests or otherwise exercise Episcopal sacramental powers without himself being first validly consecrated a bishop.


This same principle (which allows a layman to be pope) applies to local ordinaries throughout the world, who exercise true jurisdictional power over their dioceses, even if they are laymen.

For the same reason that the pope does not have to be consecrated a bishop or even ordained a priest, in order to wield universal jurisdiction to govern the Catholic Church as pope, likewise the Ordinary of a diocese does not need to be consecrated a bishop or even ordained a priest to govern his diocese.

Being the Ordinary of a diocese is an office of jurisdiction (viz., of governing). The Ordinary receives jurisdiction from the pope by being appointed by the pope. He is like the “king” of the diocese (under the pope) and wields jurisdictional power (under the pope) in that particular diocese.23 As is the custom of the Church, it is very fitting that the local Ordinary be a bishop, since the Ordinary will govern the Church in that diocese, including any auxiliary bishops and diocesan priests there.


Conclusion One of this Article: The Catholic Church has a full, worldwide hierarchy (not only a pope), even though that (post conciliar) hierarchy abuses its power and promotes error.

The Catholic Church not only has a Pope but also a full worldwide hierarchy of diocesan Ordinaries possessing true jurisdiction to govern those dioceses (portions of the Catholic Church) even if they are laymen (and even though they abuse their authority).

Each Ordinary around the world has been appointed by the pope to govern his diocese. Even if he is a layman, he has the jurisdiction to govern.


Conclusion Two of this Article: The Catholic Church has in place the structure to elect future popes.

When the pope dies, it is the cardinals’ duty to elect another pope. A cardinal does not need to be a bishop (just as Cardinal John Henry Newman was not). The recent popes have used their jurisdictional power to continue appointing cardinals (even supposing they are laymen) to elect future popes, leaving in place the structure for papal succession.

By contrast, sedevacantists speculate that God will somehow miraculously intervene to raise up a pope, although they deny the Church has had any pope, cardinals, or hierarchy for decades.

The sedevacantists’ false, unfounded supposition that God will revive the Church by Divine intervention, would really be a new, second founding of the Church (or founding of a new church). This (false) sedevacantist theory is un-Traditional because God founded His Church once, with the Church perpetually handing down Her doctrine and Her hierarchical authority.

It is as baseless for the sedevacantists to assert that God will miraculously choose a new pope as it would be for God to miraculously establish a new doctrine.


Conclusion Three of this Article: Because a Man Elected Pope must also Voluntarily accept his Election (in order for the Papal Office to vest in him), this further Refutes the False Theory that Cardinal Siri Was the Real Pope in Place of one (or more) of the Conciliar Popes.

One small, confused sedevacantist group denies the real pope because they believe that Cardinal Siri was validly elected in one or more of the conclaves after the death of Pope Pius XII. This group variously speculates either that Cardinal Siri was pressured not to accept the office or pressured to resign during the conclave, after he first (but very briefly) accepted his election as pope.

In fact, if it were true (hypothetically) that Cardinal Siri had been elected but had been pressured to not accept the office, then (as shown above) he would never have been pope, since the man who has been elected does not become pope without accepting this office.

If (hypothetically) Siri accepted his election and then decided to resign almost immediately (e.g., because he was threatened), then having resigned, the conclave could elect another pope (and so Siri would have been the real pope for only a few minutes).

Further, some members of this small, confused group of Siri advocates somehow suppose that Cardinal Siri continued to be pope but that the oath of secrecy prevented him from revealing that he was elected pope. However, this oath pertains to the secrecy of deliberations and to inconclusive votes.

There is obviously nothing to prevent a cardinal from disclosing his own election or any other person’s election after it occurs. This is obvious because all the cardinals swear this oath of secrecy. If they could never reveal the successful election of a pope, then a successful election could never be disclosed and no one outside the conclave would ever know who the new pope is.

Thus, if (hypothetically) Siri were elected pope, had accepted his election, and continued in office, he would have had a duty (as would everyone else in the conclave) to state this “fact”. Yet, in the decades after these conclaves, Siri never claimed to be pope nor did any other member of the conclave proclaim him as pope. Instead, Cardinal Siri recognized those same popes recognized by everyone else. Plainly, the Siri hypothesis is unworthy of belief.

2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


11 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


12 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


13 Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/29/judging-the-popes-words-deeds-according-to-catholic-tradition/

14 Traditionally, one of the pope’s titles is “Bishop of Rome”, because he is the Ordinary who exercises ecclesiastical jurisdiction over that diocese, as other bishops exercise jurisdiction over other dioceses.

15 We Catholics do not take upon ourselves the authority to “declare” conciliar ordinations and consecrations definitely invalid. We simply protect ourselves by staying away from conciliar ordinations and consecrations because we see there is good reason to doubt the validity of conciliar consecrations and ordinations.

16 Because doubtful ordinations and consecrations should be treated as invalid, this is why conditional ordinations and consecrations are required for all conciliar consecrations and ordinations. For a thorough explanation of the doubts about their validity, see these Catholic Candle articles:




17 Sedevacantists rashly judge that the pope is interiorly culpable for his material heresy (i.e., his errors on matters of Faith) and that he is not “really” a Catholic, although he claims to be. We treat this sedevacantist error here: https://catholiccandle.org/2024/10/24/are-we-allowed-to-decide-that-pope-francis-knows-he-is-not-catholic/

But, when a male with the use of reason is elected pope and he says he is Catholic, none of his errors should cause people to rashly declare he is not a “real” Catholic. Id.


However, we are presently considering a different issue, viz., whether a man can be pope without being a bishop.

18 This is how Father John F. Sullivan explains this point, in his book The Externals of the Catholic Church:


Who may be chosen to fill the office of Pope? Strictly speaking, any male Catholic who has come to the age of reason – even a layman. Strange to say, it would be legally possible to elect even a married man.


The Externals of the Catholic Church, by Rev. John F. Sullivan, Kennedy & Sons, New York, 1918, p.6.


19 In his book defending the papacy, Bishop Kenrick explains this truth as follows: “After the election of the Pope, his consent is demanded”. The Primacy of the Apostolic See Vindicated, by Bishop Francis Kenrick, 3rd Ed., 1848, Dunigan & Bro., New York, p.300.

Pope Pius XII explained that becoming pope did not require a man to be a bishop:


Even if a layman were elected pope, he could accept the election only if he were fit for ordination and willing to be ordained. But the power to teach and govern, as well as the divine gift of infallibility, would be granted to him from the very moment of his acceptance, even before his ordination.


Pope Pius XII, Speech to the participants in the 2nd World Congress for the Apostolate of the Laity, October 5, 1957 (emphasis added).

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In his book The Externals of the Catholic Church, Fr. Sullivan explains this point in more detail:


When a candidate is found to have the necessary number of votes and has manifested his willingness to accept the office, he is thereby Pope. He needs no ceremony of consecration to elevate him to the Papacy.


It would be possible, though far from probable [Note: this book was written in 1918], that a person might be elected Pope who is not already a Bishop. He would become Pope as soon as he was lawfully chosen, and could then perform all the duties of the Papacy which pertain to jurisdiction [i.e., governing]; but he could not ordain or consecrate until he himself had been raised to the episcopate by other Bishops.


The Externals of the Catholic Church, by Rev. John F. Sullivan, Kennedy & Sons, New York, 1918, pp. 7-8 (bracketed words added for clarity).


20 Outlines of Dogmatic Theology explains this truth as follows: “[I]f the person elected [pope] has not already received episcopal consecration, it is his duty to seek it.” Outlines of Dogmatic Theology, Sylvester J. Hunter, S.J., 2nd ed., vol. 1, p. 394, Benziger Brothers, N.Y. 1894.

21 In Outlines of Dogmatic Theology, Fr. Hunter explains:


[J]urisdiction vests immediately on the completion of the election, for the Pope has no superior to confirm him in his office.


Outlines of Dogmatic Theology, Sylvester J. Hunter, S.J., 2nd ed., vol. 1, p. 393, Benziger Brothers, N.Y. 1894.


As the Summa explains: “jurisdiction is not something sacramental”. Summa Supp., Q.25, a.2, ad 1.

22

When a man is appointed as bishop of a diocese, he has jurisdiction (i.e., ruling power) over the diocese even before he is consecrated as a bishop. This applies to the pope, when elected, with respect to being Bishop of Rome (as well as being pope over the universal Church).

That new pope, even if a layman, could even be called a “bishop” in some respect, just as the Catholic Encyclopedia calls a layman a “bishop” when he possesses Episcopal jurisdiction even before he is consecrated. Here is the Catholic Encyclopedia’s explanation:


[F]or the exercise of external jurisdiction the power of orders is not necessary. A bishop, duly appointed to a see, but not yet consecrated, is invested with external jurisdiction over his diocese …


1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 3, article: Church, §VIII (2), p.755.


In the same way, a pope who is a layman, could be truly called the Bishop of Rome in some respect, even without Episcopal consecration and without Episcopal powers to perform Sacraments. But obviously, calling a layman “bishop” (referring to possession of Episcopal jurisdiction) could mislead some people into believing he was validly consecrated as a bishop. For this reason, it seems better to generally use quotation marks around the title “bishop”, or in some other way distinguish such a layman with Episcopal jurisdiction, from a sacramentally-consecrated bishop.

23 As the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia’s explains:


Internal jurisdiction is that which is exercised in the tribunal of penance. It differs

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from the external jurisdiction of which we have been speaking, in that its object is the welfare of the individual penitent, while the object of external jurisdiction is the welfare of the Church as a corporate body. …

[F]or the exercise of external jurisdiction the power of orders is not necessary. A bishop, duly appointed to a see [i.e., a diocese], but not yet consecrated, is invested with external jurisdiction over his diocese …


1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 3, article: Church, §VIII (2), p.755 (bracketed words added).


Further, a man appointed as Ordinary of a diocese is mentioned in the Canon of the Mass even if he has not received sacramental consecration. As Fr. Adrian Fortescue explains:


The bishop must be canonically appointed and confirmed, otherwise he is not mentioned [in the Canon of the Mass]. But he need not yet be consecrated.


1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, article Canon of the Mass, author: Fr. Adrian Fortescue, vol. 3, article Canon of the Mass, p.262 (bracketed words added).


Here is how the Summa explains a “bishop elect” wielding Episcopal jurisdiction without having been sacramentally consecrated a bishop:


There are two kinds of key [Note: The Summa here refers to the “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” that Our Lord gave to St. Peter]:

One key reaches to heaven itself directly, by remitting sin and thus removing the obstacles to the entrance into heaven; and this is called the key of “order” [i.e., Holy Orders]. Priests alone have this key, because they alone are ordained for the people in the things which appertain to God directly.

The other key reaches to heaven, not directly but through the medium of the Church Militant. By this key a man goes to heaven, since, by its means, a man is shut out from or admitted to the fellowship of the Church Militant, by excommunication or absolution. This is called the key of “jurisdiction” in the external court, wherefore even those who are not priests can have this key, e.g., archdeacons, bishops elect, and others who can excommunicate. But it is not properly called a key of heaven, but a disposition thereto.


Summa Supp. Q.19, a.3, Respondeo (bracketed words added for clarity).

Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism. Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist.

Below is the twelfth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism. As context for this twelfth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier eleven articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.1

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now. When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all). So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion2 people who profess to be Catholic. We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics. Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.3

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics (if we judge them at all), and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication). Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.4

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.5

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.6

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.7 We looked especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope. Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.8 In this sixth article, we saw that we are not presently in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and remains visible to all. The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all. Thus, we know we have a pope and that the one who is pope is visible (known) to all as the pope.9

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that the one who virtually all Catholics see (believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial “argument” of sedevacantists (addressed to Catholics) saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”. We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.10

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.11

In the eleventh article of this series, we saw more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm – viz., we should recognize his authority as pope but resist the evil of his words or deeds.12

Below, in the twelfth article of this series, we will examine how we ordinary Catholic laymen can know what the Catholic Truth is and how we can know when the pope (or anyone) is promoting error.


Judging the Pope’s Words & Deeds According to Catholic Tradition


We saw in an earlier article in this series that it is (objectively) a mortal sin of rash judgment for a person to decide that the pope is a formal heretic.13 Also, in a future part of this article, we will see further that it is (objectively) a mortal sin of revolution for a person to declare the pope has lost his authority as such.


On the other hand, in the eleventh article, we saw that we have a duty to resist the pope’s errors and the harm he causes.14


However, we are not Church Doctors or popes. How do we know what is true (and so know what to believe), unless we simply (and blindly) believe whatever the pope teaches us? Should we just decide for ourselves what to believe? If not, then how do we know when we have a duty to resist what the pope says or does? This seems like a quandary!


One false argument many sedevacantists use, is to present the following false alternatives:


  • Either you must deny the authority of the pope in the Vatican (as they do);


  • Or you must accept everything he does and says. Because (according to the false assertion of these sedevacantists), if he were pope and you pick and choose what you accept from him, then (they falsely say) it shows you have a protestant mentality (of picking and choosing).


This superficial sedevacantist “argument” relies on a false understanding of papal infallibility.



The Pope’s Ex Cathedra Infallibility


We know the pope’s words are infallible (viz., from the very fact that he utters them), only when he:

speaks ex cathedra, that is, when:

  1. in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians,

  2. in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,

  3. he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals,

  4. to be held by the whole church.15


Here is an example of Pope Pius IX speaking ex cathedra, fulfilling these conditions, in Quanta Cura (with its syllabus of errors):


We, truly mindful of Our Apostolic duty, and especially solicitous about our most holy religion, about sound doctrine and the salvation of souls divinely entrusted to Us, and about the good of human society itself, have decided to lift our voice again. And so all and each evil opinion and doctrine individually mentioned in this letter, by Our Apostolic authority, We reject, proscribe and condemn; and We wish and command that they be considered as absolutely rejected, proscribed and condemned by all the sons of the Catholic Church.


The post-conciliar popes have taught nothing false which fulfills these rigid conditions for ex cathedra infallibility.16



Popes Can Err in All Other Teachings


Popes can err in any other teachings, unless those teachings are themselves a faithful repetition of truth contained in infallible Catholic Tradition. No pope (or anyone else) can err when faithfully repeating the teachings of Catholic Tradition.


But popes cannot teach any new doctrine infallibly. As the First Vatican Council declared: “the Holy Ghost was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by His revelation, make known some new doctrine”.17



We Must Measure All Doctrine According to Its Fidelity to Catholic Tradition


Catholic catechisms distinguish between the pope’s infallible and non-infallible teachings because infallible teachings cannot conflict with the Catholic Faith (but rather, are part of it), whereas non-infallible teachings might conflict with the Catholic Faith. This distinction warns Catholics to accept all infallible teachings without possibility of error, but to accept the non-infallible teachings only provided that they do not conflict with the Catholic Faith, including infallible Catholic Tradition, i.e., the consistent teachings of the Catholic Church through the ages.


This distinction (between the pope’s infallible and non-infallible teachings) also shows that Catholics must both understand their Faith and measure other teachings against the standard of infallible Catholic Tradition.


This is why St. Paul instructed his flock to “hold fast to the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” 2 Thessalonians, 2:14. St. Paul is telling Catholics to measure all doctrine according to Catholic Tradition.


St. Paul further warned his flock to reject all new or different doctrines, which do not fit with the Tradition he taught them: “If anyone preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received [viz., from St. Paul], let him be anathema”. Galatians, 1:9 (bracketed words added to show the context).


In the year 434, St. Vincent Lerins, gave this same rule to all Catholics: viz., to adhere to Catholic Tradition and reject what is contrary:


[I]n the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic” …. [I]f some new contagion were to try to poison no longer a small part of the Church, but all of the Church at the same time, then [a Catholic] will take the greatest care to attach himself to antiquity which, obviously, can no longer be seduced by any lying novelty.


Commonitorium, Chs. 2-3 (emphasis added).


St. Athanasius, Doctor of the Church and Patriarch of Alexandria, told his flock that faithful adherence to Tradition shows who is Catholic: “Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.” St. Athanasius’ letter to his flock (emphasis added).


This Catholic duty to judge all doctrines according to Catholic Tradition, is described in Liberalism is a Sin:


[B]y use of their reason[,] the faithful are enabled to suspect and measure the orthodoxy of any new doctrine presented to them, by comparing it with a doctrine already defined. If it be not in accord, … they can lawfully hold it as perverse and declare it such, warn others against it, raise the cry of alarm and strike the first blow against it. The faithful layman can do all this, and has done it at all times, with the applause of the Church.18


Not only does the Church instruct us to measure new doctrines according to Catholic Tradition, but even the way God made the human mind requires this measurement. When we understand a truth of our Faith, we understand there is a connection between the particular subject and predicate which form that truth. For example, we understand that our Faith teaches us there is the link between “God” and “omnipotent”, so that we profess that “God is omnipotent”. For this reason, we know the opposite statement (i.e., de-linking this subject and predicate) must be false, viz., that “God is not omnipotent”.


It would be false to suppose that a Catholic is forbidden to compare current conciliar teachings, with Catholic Tradition, because this supposition would forbid a Catholic from understanding what he is saying (and believing) when he is professing his Faith.  (In the above example, it would forbid a Catholic from noting that “God is omnipotent” is the opposite of “God is not omnipotent”.) Similarly, by knowing what the Church has always taught and knowing the conciliar church’s teaching, a Catholic cannot help but notice these teachings are often opposites. 


To say that a Catholic is forbidden to notice this opposition would be simply to say that Catholics are forbidden to understand, and must simply memorize the sounds of words without understanding their meaning.  In other words, Catholic Tradition itself “measures” the conciliar church’s teachings.  Faithful Catholics merely notice this fact.

In contrast to our duty to measure all doctrines according to Catholic Tradition, Protestants wrongly set their own private judgment as the measure and rule of all faith. So, a Protestant chooses what he wants to believe (i.e., either the new or the old teaching). But God chooses what Catholics must believe (Catholic Tradition) and we must measure everything according to this standard.



Catholics Do Not Have a “Cut Off” Date, After Which They Ignore Papal Teaching.


Because sedevacantists deny the post-conciliar popes’ authority as such, they ignore all papal words and deeds after the “cut off” date they choose, based on when they (wrongly) decide that the Church last had a pope. Beginning on that date, they ignore anything the pope says regardless of what it is. This attitude (of the sedevacantists) is what makes them schismatic – viz., because that attitude is a rejection of the pope’s authority as such, not merely a refusal to “obey” him when he tells us to do something bad. 19


The post-conciliar popes – like all popes – have the duty to teach the Faith. If the present pope were to teach doctrine with all of the conditions of ex cathedra infallibility (as set forth in Vatican I), then this teaching would be infallible.


Further, if a post-conciliar pope teaches without fulfilling the conditions for ex cathedra infallibility, then what he teaches might be wrong. Traditional Catholics would have to carefully consider what the pope taught, to measure the pope’s teaching according to Catholic Tradition. So Traditional Catholics (unlike sedevacantists) do not have a “cut off” date for papal teachings, after which they automatically ignore such teachings.


It is true that Traditional Catholics approach a post-conciliar pope’s teaching with much greater wariness than they do the (non-infallible) teaching of Pope St. Pius X. There is good reason for this wariness. It is not that a post-conciliar pope is not pope. But faithful Catholics approach his teachings warily, like a child would approach his own father who in the past has attempted to lead the child into sin. The father has not ceased to be the child’s father (with a father’s authority), but it is good and reasonable for the child to be more wary about his father who has attempted to lead the child into sin in the past, as compared to the lack of such reserve in the child who has a saintly father.


So, a true Catholic does not refuse submission to the pope’s authority but must refuse to “obey” the pope’s abuse of his authority. If the pope is bad enough, it might appear that there is hardly anything in which the pope should be obeyed. In this way, there might be the superficial appearance that faithful Catholics and sedevacantists have the same position. But this appearance is completely wrong! Faithful Catholics do not forget the pope is their superior, even on occasions when they cannot follow what he teaches or does. By contrast, sedevacantists revolt against the pope’s authority as such, judge his interior culpability, and declare he is not Christ’s vicar. This contrast is the difference between Catholicism on the one hand, and revolution and (at least material) schism on the other hand.


We Catholics (and that child, in the above example) must hold ourselves ready to obey our superior whenever we can. So, for example, if the bad father told the child to add an extra Hail Mary to his night prayers, the child must obey. Likewise, if a post-conciliar pope told us to begin abstaining from meat on an additional day of the week (e.g., Wednesday), we would have to obey.20



Conclusion


We see that sedevacantists are wrong that, just because Catholics recognize the authority of the pope, we must accept everything he says and does. Instead, Catholics must measure the pope’s words and deeds against the standard of Catholic Tradition. We must accept what conforms to Tradition and reject what conflicts with Tradition.


2 The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html


7 Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/


8 Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

9 Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/


10 Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


11 Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/


12 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


13 Read this article here: https://catholiccandle.org/2024/10/24/are-we-allowed-to-decide-that-pope-francis-knows-he-is-not-catholic/


As this article shows, we are not permitted to decide that the pope is a formal heretic (and thus, outside the Church) when he tells us that he is Catholic. But if he were to tell us that he knows that he does not believe what a Catholic is now required to believe, then we are permitted to believe him that he knows he does not qualify as a Catholic.

14 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


15 This is the dogmatic definition quoted from Vatican I, Session 4, ch.4.

16 Likewise, Councils of the Church can be infallible in their teachings on faith and morals, but not everything they teach is infallible. Vatican II did not teach anything infallible except to the extent that the council simply repeated truths from Catholic Tradition. (This is the same way in which any person can say something infallible.) Read this article: Vatican II is Not Infallible, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/08/08/vatican-ii-is-not-infallible/

Further, the documents of Vatican II contain hundreds of heresies. See, e.g., Vatican II’s promoting religious liberty in contradiction to the infallible teaching of the Church. https://catholiccandle.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Errors-of-Dignitatis-Humanae.pdf

See also:

17 Vatican I, Session 4, ch.4 (emphasis added).

18 Liberalism is a Sin, by Fr. Felix Sarda y Salvany, 1886, ch.32.

19 Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/07/24/our-catholic-duty-resist-the-harm-done-by-a-bad-pope-but-of-course-recognize-his-authority/


20 Of course, we must carefully consider the pope’s command in its context. So, for example, if the pope were to command us to abstain from meat on an extra day of the week, such as Wednesday, for the intention that Catholics become devoted to the new mass, then faithful and informed Catholics would never do this.


Similarly, a faithful and informed Catholic would ignore the pope’s promotion of (supposed) special indulgences for entering a conciliar church during the jubilee year. Read the analysis in this article: The “New” SSPX Promotes the Evil of Going into Conciliar Churches to Pray during the “Holy Year”: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/the-new-sspx-promotes-praying-in-conciliar-churches-during-the-holy-year/

Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism.  Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist. 

Below is the eleventh article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism.  As context for this eleventh article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier ten articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.[1]

Then, in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now.  When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all).  So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.4 billion[2] people who profess to be Catholic.  We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics.  Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused or are uninformed.[3]

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics, and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication).  Regarding any of the world’s 1.4 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.[4]

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.[5] 

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.[6]

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.[7]  We look especially at the cases of Pope John XXII and Pope Nicholas I, who both taught explicit heresy while pope and nonetheless continued to be the pope.  Pope John XXII also taught the same explicit heresy before he became the pope.

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.[8]  In this sixth article, we saw that we are not in an interregnum (even though the sedevacantists absurdly claim we are in a many-decades-long interregnum).

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and will be visible to all.  The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all.  Thus, we know we have a pope and that he is visible to all.[9]

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that whoever virtually all Catholics see (believe) is the pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

In the ninth article, we addressed the superficial “argument” of sedevacantists, addressed to Catholics, saying that “if you think we have a pope, then you have to obey him in whatever he tells you to do”.  We examined the true Catholic virtue of obedience and saw that we must not obey the commands of even a real superior, like our pope, if/when he commands us to do something evil.[10]

In the tenth article, we saw more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is inherently schism.[11]

Below, in the eleventh article of this series, we will examine more deeply how we should respond to a pope (or other superior) who does harm.

 

Our Catholic Duty: Resist the Harm Done by a Bad Pope But (Of Course) Recognize His Authority

 

Two different mortal sins prevent a faithful and informed Catholic from being a sedevacantist:

 

1.    If we rashly judge the pope to be a formal heretic because he is a material heretic, this is a mortal sin (because it is the sin of rash judgment on a grave matter).[12] 

 

2.    If we revolt against the pope’s authority as such, this is a mortal sin of revolution.  We will examine the sinfulness of revolution in a future article.

 

Therefore, because Catholics must neither be rash-judgers nor revolutionaries, we must recognize the authority of the pope who is in the Vatican.

 

 

Although Recognizing the Pope’s Authority, We must also Recognize When His Commands Are Evil.

 

When judging a person’s interior culpability, it must be done (if at all) in the most favorable light.  By contrast, we judge a person’s statements and actions objectively and we must resist objective evil and error, however blameless its proponent might beSumma, IIa IIae, Q.60, a.4, ad 2. 

 

Thus, we assume the best (if we assume anything) about the pope’s interior, subjective culpability, but we also must recognize that the current pope’s words and deeds are often objectively evil. 

 

 

But While the Pope Harms the Church (in Her Human Element, What Should We Do?

 

When a superior (including the pope) commands that we do something wrong (including commanding us to believe something false), the Catholic response is: We resist!  This is why Pope St. Gregory the Great, Doctor of the Church, taught:


Know that evil ought never to be done through obedience, though sometimes something good, which is being done, ought to be discontinued out of obedience.[13]

 

When we resist a superior’s sinful conduct (or command), we do not thereby reject the superior’s authority as such, but only his evil conduct (or command).  St. Thomas made this crucial distinction when he discussed St. Paul resisting St. Peter, the first pope, to his face, as St. Paul recounted in Galatians, 2:11.  St. Thomas explained that “the Apostle opposed Peter in the exercise of authority, not in his authority of rulingas such[14]

 

 

The Duty to Resist a Pope’s Abuse of Authority, Pertains to Matters of Faith and Morals as well.

 

The principle of resisting any superior’s evil command, applies to any evil command – whether to do something, to say something, or to believe something.

 

Thus, a pope might command us to believe his errors on matters of Faith.  (The pope can make such errors whenever he is neither speaking ex cathedra nor speaking clearly in line with what the Church has always taught and believed.)

 

Regarding ex cathedra declarations of the pope (which are somewhat rare), the First Vatican Council carefully listed the conditions for extraordinary papal infallibility, because only when the pope fulfills all of these conditions, is he thus infallibly prevented from erring on matters of Faith or morals.  In the absence of the conditions for infallibility, at any other time the pope might err in his teaching, potentially triggering a Catholic’s duty to resist the error.[15] 

 

Here is how a very large, old Catholic dictionary explains this truth:

 

Even when he [viz., the pope] speaks with Apostolic Authority [which is only one of the conditions for papal infallibility], he may err.  The [First] Vatican Council only requires us to believe that God protects him from error in definitions on faith or morals when he imposes a belief on the Universal Church.[16]

 

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that St. Paul was correct in resisting and rebuking St. Peter publicly[17] because St. Peter’s conduct caused a scandal concerning the Faith.  Here are St. Thomas’ words:

 

It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.  Hence Paul, who was Peter’s subject, rebuked him in public, on account of the imminent danger of scandal concerning faith, and, as the gloss of Augustine says on Gal. 2:11, “Peter gave an example to superiors, that if at any time they should happen to stray from the straight path, they should not disdain to be reproved by their subjects.”[18]

 

Pope Paul IV tells us we are right to resist the pope whenever he deviates from the Faith:

 

[T]he Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith.[19]

 

Likewise, St. Robert Bellarmine assures us that we are right to resist a pope who uses his office to attack souls (whether through false doctrine or bad morals):

 

Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church.  I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will.  It is not licit, however, to judge, to punish, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.[20]

 

St. Thomas explains the reason for this distinction St. Robert Bellarmine makes, viz., that we are right to resist (i.e., correct) the pope or other superior, but we cannot punish or depose him:

 

A subordinate is not competent to administer to his prelate the correction which is an act of justice through the coercive nature of punishment.  But the fraternal correction which is an act of charity is within the competency of everyone in respect of any person towards whom he is bound by charity [which is everybody], provided there be something in that person which requires correction.[21]

 

Juan Cardinal de Torquemada (revered medieval theologian responsible for the formulation of the doctrines that were defined at the Council of Florence) teaches:

 

It is necessary to obey God rather than men.  Therefore, where the Pope would command something contrary to Sacred Scripture, or to an article of Faith, or to the truth of the Sacraments, or to a command of the Natural Law or of the Divine Law, he ought not to be obeyed, but such command ought to be despised.[22]

 

 

Although We Must Resist a Pope’s Sinful Commands, We Must Still Obey Him When We Can.

 

True obedience to God requires us to resist any bad commands of a human superior, including the pope.[23]  But that does not mean that we can simply declare the pope to have vacated his papal throne so that we can free ourselves from our duty of obeying him when his command is not sinful, i.e., when it is not offensive to God.

 

Although we will examine this issue more thoroughly in a future article, for now suffice it to point out that a bad command by a pope or other lawful superior does not change the fact that he is our superior and that we must obey him when we are able to do so.  So, for example, if a post-conciliar pope were to declare that Catholics must do more penance and were to command that Catholics must begin abstaining from meat on an additional day of the week (e.g., Wednesday), we would have to obey him because of his authority over us.  To fail to obey his command would be a sin.

 

 

Conclusion – We Must Recognize the Pope’s Authority But Resist His Evil.

 

Because Catholics must not be rash-judgers or revolutionaries, we must recognize the authority of the pope over us.  We must avoid the sin of sedevacantism. 

 

But because we must obey God rather than men, we must resist the pope (or any other superior), whenever he abuses his authority and whenever he does harm.

 

However, because the pope remains our superior and continues to have authority over us, we must obey him whenever we are able to do so.



[2]           The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion.  https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html

 

[7]           Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[8]           Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum:  The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

[9]           Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here:  https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/

 

[10]         Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/

 

[11]         Read this article showing that Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/06/28/sedevacantism-is-inherently-schism/

 

[13]         Pope St. Gregory the Great, De Moral., bk. XXXV, §29 (emphasis added).

 

For example, a superior might command his subordinate to stop a certain voluntary, non-mandatory penance which is otherwise good in itself.  For this reason, obedience would demand that the subordinate cease this particular penance. 

The superior might have good reasons for this command to his subordinate.  But even if the superior’s prohibition of the penance was not better in itself, nevertheless it is not sinful for the subordinate to obey and so he should do so, thereby obtaining the merit of the obedience.

 

[14]         St. Thomas Aquinas, Super Epistulas S. Pauli, Ad Galatas, Ch.2, Lectio III (emphasis added).

[15]         Read this article here: It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[16]         A Catholic Dictionary, under the topic “Pope”, Addis & Arnold, The Catholic Publication Society, New York, 1884, pp.767-68 (bracketed comments added).

[17]         Galatians, 2:11.


[18]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.33, a.4, ad 2 (emphasis added).


[19]        
Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio, §1 (emphasis added).

 

[20]         De Romano Pontifice, St. Robert Bellarmine, Bk.2, ch.29 (emphasis added).

 

[21]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.33, a. 4, respondeo (emphasis added; bracketed words added for clarity).

 

[22]         Summa de Ecclesia, bk.2, ch.49, p.163B (emphasis added).   

 

[23]         Read this article examining false obedience, entitled, The False “Obedience” of Cowardly and Weak Catholics, which can be found here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/

 

Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism.  Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist. 

Below is the ninth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism.  As context for this ninth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier eight articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether the pope (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church – based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.[1]

Then in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now.  When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all).  So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.3 billion[2] people who profess to be Catholic.  We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics.  Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused.[3]

Thus, we must judge the conciliar popes to have been material heretics, not formal heretics, and that each was pope in his turn until his death (or abdication).  Regarding any of the world’s 1.3 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them to be material heretics only (if we judge them at all), unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.[4]

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.[5] 

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from a conciliar pope’s heresy, to declare that we know he is not the pope and is not a Catholic.[6]

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.[7] 

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.[8]

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and will be visible to all.  The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all.  Thus, we know we have a pope and that he is visible to all.[9]

In the eighth article, we saw that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that whoever virtually all Catholics see (believe) is pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

Below, in the ninth article of this series, we will examine more deeply what schism is and how sedevacantism is schism.


Sedevacantism is Inherently Schism[10]

As St. Thomas Aquinas teaches, schismatics are:

“those who refuse to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.”[11] 

That is exactly what sedevacantists do.  There are two parts to St. Thomas’ definition.  Schismatics are those who refuse:

1.    to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff; and

 

2.    to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.”[12]  .

The sedevacantists refuse both of these things. 

1.    The sedevacantists refuse to submit to the current, reigning pope, asserting that he has no authority over them because he is not “really” the pope.

2.    Also, the sedevacantists do not “hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his [viz., the pope’s] supremacy”.[13]  Instead, the sedevacantists declare they themselves do not belong to the same church as the 1.3 billion persons whom the sedevacantists rashly judge to not be “real” Catholics even though these 1.3 billion people consider themselves to be Catholic and are part of the “mainstream” human element of the Church (however confused these Catholics are concerning doctrine and morals). 

Summary of this Section: Sedevacantism is always schism because it is always a refusal to submit to the authority of the current reigning pope (and also to hold communion with those who submit to the pope’s authority).


Don’t Confuse the Sin of Schism with the Sin of Denying the Authority of the Papal Office in the Abstract (Which is Heresy).

We should not confuse the sin of schism (which is refusing submission to the authority of the current, reigning pope), with the sin of heresy, in which a person rejects as a matter of principle the very notion of the authority of the papal office –  the authority of which is revealed as part of our Catholic Faith.[14]

In contrast to the sedevacantists’ gravely wrong position, faithful and informed Catholics recognize that the current, reigning pope has authority over us all.  Even though we frequently cannot do what the pope commands us to do (because the command is sinful), nonetheless we must “acknowledge his supremacy”, as St. Thomas teaches us that we must.[15] 

We must do what the pope commands us to do if we can do so in good conscience.  We must obey his commands that are not sinful.  Thus, for example, if Pope Leo XIV were to command Catholics to recite at least five decades of the rosary each day, under pain of sin, we would be bound in conscience to do this, under pain of sin.

Of  course, it would be the sin of false “obedience” if we were to “obey” a sinful command of our superior – including the pope – because that supposed “obedience” to the superior would be false obedience and would actually be disobedience to God.[16]


Can a Sedevacantist Go to Heaven?

“Schism severs a man from the Church”, as St. Thomas teaches, quoting St. Jerome.[17]  Further, there is No Salvation Outside the Church.  So it would seem that no sedevacantist could ever go to heaven.

But we must make a crucial distinction; there are two ways to be severed from the Church: 1) Materially; and 2) Formally.  Let us look into this distinction further.

When a man holds the grave, false position that we have no pope (whereas we do have a pope), there are two ways he can hold this position.  He can either:

v  Hold this error culpably (i.e., he “knows better”); or
 

v  Hold this error innocently (i.e., he does not “know better” and does so in ignorance).

If the sedevacantist is blameless for his grave act of schism, then he has no interior culpability (i.e., no sin on his soul) although his position is objectively a grave act of schism.  This is like the man who commits the objective act of theft by innocently (although wrongfully) taking someone else’s umbrella (believing it to be his own umbrella), as he departs from a restaurant.  The man taking the umbrella commits an objective act of theft without having interiorly culpability (on his soul) for the sin of theft.  This man is a “material thief” but not a “formal thief”.

Similarly, if the particular sedevacantist is ignorant and is not interiorly culpable (according to God’s judgment of his soul) for his false opinion that we have no pope, (and thus not recognizing the authority of the pope who is then reigning), then he is a “material schismatic” and not a “formal one”.  The material schismatic is a person who refuses to submit to the authority of the current reigning pope, wrongly believing that it is permissible for a Catholic to do this.

By contrast, the sedevacantist is a formal schismatic if he has interior culpability (according to God’s judgment of his soul) because he truly “knows better” than to deny the authority of the reigning pontiff.  This distinction (between material and formal schism) is analogous to the distinction between material and formal heresy: 

Just as:

Ø  a material schismatic is a person who ignorantly holds that we have no pope, and thus, this materially schismatic person is materially outside the Catholic Church,

Ø  so also, a material heretic is ignorant that he holds heresy and this material heretic is materially outside the Catholic Church. 

But both the material schismatic and the material heretic are still formally inside the Church and so it is still possible for such persons to go to heaven because their grave error is (by hypothesis, in this example) innocent and committed in ignorance.

By contrast, a formal schismatic, is a person who is sinfully culpable for his error of holding that we have no pope.  This schismatic is formally outside the Catholic Church.  This is like the formal heretic who is sinfully culpable for his error in holding heresy.  This heretic is formally outside the Catholic Church.  Such persons – both formal schismatics and formal heretics – cannot go to heaven because there is No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church.

For the reasons set forth in Catholic Candle’s article which examines the sin of rash judgment,[18] we must not judge particular sedevacantists to be formal schismatics.  Only God can judge that (unless they themselves tell us that they know that they do not qualify as Catholics because of their refusal to recognize the authority of the pope).  Instead, if we judge individual sedevacantists at all, we must judge them in the best possible light (as St. Thomas teaches).  This would result in our supposing that they are material schismatics, not formal schismatics.[19]  This is true even if, in our judgment of the sedevacantists’ culpability, we would “err frequently through thinking well” of themSumma, IIa IIae, Q.60, a.4, ad 1.


The Common Root of Schism and the Sedevacantists’ Rash Judgment, is not an Accident.

As St. Thomas teaches, the sin of “schism is essentially opposed to the unity of ecclesiastical charity.”  Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, ad 3.

Rash judgment also, is a sin against charity.  One way to see this is true, is that we would want our neighbor to judge us (if at all) in the best possible light.  If we do not judge our neighbor this same way, then we fail to “do unto others”, as we would have them “do unto” us.  St. Matthew’s Gospel, 7:12.  Thus, we are not charitable and are not treating our neighbor as ourselves, as required by the Second Great Commandment.  St. Matthew’s Gospel, 22:39.

Further, our judgments should always be made with a “habit of charity”, as St. Thomas explains.[20]  We must judge our neighbor (if at all) according to “our goodwill toward him”, ready to believe the best of him.[21]  For charity “believeth all things”, as St. Paul teaches us.  1 Corinthians, 13: 7.  St. Thomas teaches us that Our Lord “forbids judgment which proceeds not from benevolence but from bitterness of heart.”[22]

Although we must not judge the interior culpability of individual sedevacantists, it is not by chance that schism and rash judgment are both, at their root, sins against charity.  This connection is not by chance any more than the fact that gluttons tend to commit other kinds of sins connected to gluttony, such as pampering their flesh through inordinate attachment to bodily comfort.  (These connections between sins are objectively true, regardless of a particular person’s culpability.)


Summary of this article

All sedevacantists are in schism because they all refuse to submit to the authority of the pope and refuse to be in communion with (i.e., acknowledge as fellow Catholics) the mainstream of people who consider themselves to be Catholic but are greatly confused about doctrine and morals. 

The schism of the sedevacantists is material or formal – depending on whether they are culpable for their grave error.



[2]           The Vatican estimates that the number of Catholics worldwide is about 1.375 billion.  https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html

 

[7]           Read this article here:  It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[8]           Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum:  The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

[9]           Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here:  https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/

 

[10]         This is true whenever the Church has a pope, such as Pope Francis before his death and Pope Leo XIV after his election.  The only exception to the Church having a pope is during the very short interregnum periods during which the Church is electing a new pope.

[11]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, Respondeo

[12]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, Respondeo

[13]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, Respondeo

[14]         Here is how St. Thomas explains this distinction:

 

Heresy and schism are distinguished in respect to those things to which each is opposed essentially and directly.  For heresy is essentially opposed to faith, while schism is essentially opposed to the unity of ecclesiastical charity.  Wherefore, just as faith and charity are different virtues, although whoever lacks faith lacks charity so too, schism and heresy are different vices, although whoever is a heretic is also a schismatic, but not conversely.  This is what Jerome says in his commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians: “I consider the difference between schism and heresy to be that heresy holds false doctrine while schism severs a man from the Church.”

 

Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, ad 3.

[15]         Again, St. Thomas teaches that schismatics are “those who refuse to submit to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to hold communion with those members of the Church who acknowledge his supremacy.”  Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, Respondeo.

[16]         Read an explanation of this Catholic principle here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/05/20/the-false-obedience-of-cowardly-and-weak-catholics/


[17]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.39, a.1, ad 3 (St. Thomas Aquinas, quoting St. Jerome).

[19]         Again, when we say that we must not judge sedevacantists, we mean that we must not judge their personal subjective interior culpability.  But we can – and often MUST – objectively judge their error itself.  So, when we meet a sedevacantist, we should neither immediately conclude that we know he is in mortal sin and would go to hell if he were to die right now, nor should we merely shrug our shoulders, and say, “who am I to judge?” about the gravity of the objective error that he holds.

The virtuous route is in the middle: We do not judge that his soul is in mortal sin because of his grave error, but we also avoid his error and do our reasonable best to prevent him from contaminating others with his error.  In other words, we are on guard against a sedevacantist’s error not because we know he is in mortal sin but because we know his error is grave and dangerous.

[20]         Summa, Q.60, a.4, respondeo & a.2, ad 1.

[21]         Summa, IIa IIae, Q.60, a.4, ad 2.

[22]         Summa, Q.60, a.2, ad 1.

The Man Whom the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, Is the Pope

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism.  Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist. 

Below is the eighth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism.  As context for this eighth article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier seven articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether Pope Francis (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church – based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.[1]

Then in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now.  When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all).  So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.3 billion[2] people who profess that they are Catholic.  We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics.  Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused.[3]

Thus, we must judge Pope Francis to be a material heretic, not a formal heretic, and that he was the pope (until his death on April 21, 2025).  Regarding any of the world’s 1.3 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them (if we judge them at all) to be material heretics only, unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.[4]

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.[5] 

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from Pope Francis’ heresy (or the heresy taught by any pope) by declaring that he is not the pope.[6]

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and, in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.[7] 

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.[8]

In the seventh article of this series, we saw that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and will be visible to all.  The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all.  Thus, we know we have a pope and that he is visible to all.[9]

Below, in the eighth article of this series, we see that the necessary visibility of the Catholic Church and the pope, requires as a corollary that whoever all Catholics see (believe) is pope must be the pope, since the pope must be visible to all.

 


 

Because the pope must be visible, a necessary corollary of this truth is that whoever is accepted as the pope by nearly all Catholics, we know must be the pope by that very fact, since the pope must be visible to the Church as the pope.  This is true because, if almost all Catholics accepted the legitimacy of an anti-pope, then the true pope would be “invisible”, i.e., unknown to the Church.  Thus, because the pope must be visible to all, whoever is accepted as pope by virtually all Catholics, we know must be the pope.

 

St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Doctor of the Church, explained this truth as follows:

 

It is of no importance that in past centuries some Pontiff was illegitimately elected or took possession of the Pontificate by fraud.  It is enough that he was accepted afterwards by the whole Church as Pope, since by such an acceptance he would become the True Pontiff.”[10]

 

When teaching this same truth, Louis Cardinal Billot identified the cause of this truth, viz., the indefectibility of the Church:

 

Beyond all doubt, it ought to be firmly held, that the adhesion of the universal Church would, in itself, always be an infallible sign of the legitimacy of a particular pope, and even for the existence of all conditions which are required for his legitimacy as pope.  Nor does it take long to identify the reason for this fact.  For the reason is taken directly from the infallible promise of Christ and from Providence: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against Her [the Church]”.  And again: “Behold, I am with you all days”, which is equivalent.[11]

 

In his book The Primacy of the Apostolic See Vindicated, Bishop Francis Kenrick discusses whether bribes (simony) can invalidate the election of a pope.  He teaches that the Church’s acceptance of a pope cures any defect in his election but that the pope nonetheless has a moral duty to resign:

 

Should the contemplated case unfortunately occur, the guilty individual must know that he cannot conscientiously exercise the papal power.  …  [T]he acquiescence of the Church heals the defect as far as the faithful are concerned, although it does not relieve the delinquent from the necessity of abdicating the high office which he sacrilegiously assumed.[12]

 

Similarly, Outlines of Dogmatic Theology declares this same principle:

 

[W]henever the Church at large recognizes any man whatever as being Pope, that man is Pope, whatever many have been the circumstances that led to his being recognized.  … [A]cceptance by the Church is a proof that such or such a person is lawful Pope.[13]

 

But a person could ask:

 

How does this fit with the historical fact of the occurrence of the Great Western Schism? 

 

The answer is that this Western Schism in the 14th and 15th centuries shows nothing to the contrary.  In that schism, lasting over 40 years, there was no single man recognized by virtually all Catholics living then, as the true pope.  Instead, there was a very large faction which supported each of the two main claimants to the papacy (one of which was the true pope).  Here is how the Catholic Encyclopedia explains this great division:

 

The greater number of the Italian and German states, England, and Flanders supported the pope of Rome. On the other hand, France, Spain, Scotland, and all the nations in the orbit of France were for the pope of Avignon.[14]

 

Thus, we see that the Great Western Schism was not a situation where almost all Catholics accepted an anti-pope as the real pope.  Similarly, it would be impossible at any time for almost all Catholics to accept an anti-pope as the real pope.

 

 

There are Five Consequences of the Fact that Whomever the Whole Church Accepts as Pope, is the Pope.

 

1.   Pope Francis was the pope until his death on April 21, 2025.

 

More than 1.3 billion people worldwide, profess to be Catholic.[15] 

 

Virtually all 1.3 billion Catholics accepted Pope Francis as pope (until his death).  Thus, we know that Pope Francis was the pope, i.e., until his death on April 21, 2025.

2.   Pope Benedict XVI was not pope after his resignation in 2013.

 

The fact that Catholics universally accepted Pope Francis as pope, is one of many reasons why it is wrong to suppose that Pope Benedict XVI did not “really” resign, and continued to be the pope (instead of Pope Francis).  Virtually the whole Church accepted Pope Francis as pope (until his death), and the whole Church could never accept an anti-pope (as shown above).

3.   Each of the other post-conciliar popes was the pope in his turn.

 

Over the last 67 years (as of 2025), virtually the whole Church accepted each of the other post-conciliar popes, as pope in his turn.  Thus, we know each was the pope. 

4.   This is a further reason we know Cardinal Siri was not pope.

 

It is clear that Cardinal Siri was not pope (as a tiny group supposed).  Not only was his supposed “pontificate” invisible, but it would have opposed the pontificate of the pope universally accepted by Catholics. 

5.   This further shows the impossibility of the Church being now in a papal interregnum.

 

The Church accepted Pope Francis as pope and accepted each of his post-conciliar predecessors.  This is one of many compelling reasons why we know the Church is not in a decades-long papal interregnum because, when the Church accepted each post-conciliar pope in his turn, each one became the true pope (even if we were to suppose that, somehow, his election was irregular and that he wasn’t pope already).[16]

 

 

Further Objection:  “I understand the above reasoning showing that if virtually the entire Church accepts a man as a pope, that shows infallibly that he is the pope.  But that reasoning does not hold if the man was already a heretic upon his acceptance of that office, as surely all the post-conciliar popes have been, including Jorge Bergoglio.”  

 

Further Response:  This objection is answered by the arguments contained in the first and second articles of this series.  This objection fails to make the crucial distinction between formal and material heresy.  Material heresy (alone) does not prevent a man from becoming or from being accepted universally as pope, no matter how publicly he insists on teaching his heretical opinion. 

 

In those first two articles, we saw that we have no evidence that Pope Francis or any of the post Vatican II popes are/were formal heretics (rather than a material heretics only).  Thus, we cannot conclude that they are/were outside the true Catholic Church, based simply on their persistent, public teaching of heretical opinions.[17]   All of the post-Vatican II popes professed to be Catholic before and after their election.  Thus, we cannot judge them to be formal heretics.

 

 



[7]           Read this article here:  It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[8]           Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum:  The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

[9]           Read this article showing that The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All, which can be found here:  https://catholiccandle.org/2025/03/27/the-catholic-church-will-always-be-visible-with-a-pope/

 

[10]         Verità della Fede, Part 3, Ch.8, §9, emphasis added.


This entire work of St. Alphonsus is available in an online library, for free, in Italian:  http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ITASA0000/_P3BD.HTM 

 

Here is the original Italian version, of the sentences quoted above:

 

Niente ancora importa che ne’ secoli passati  alcun pontefice  sia  stato illegittimamente eletto, o fraudolentemente siasi intruso nel pontificato; basta che poi sia stato accettato da tutta la chiesa come papa, attesoché per tale accettazione già si è renduto legittimo e vero pontefice.

 

This work is also contained in Opera de S. Alfonso Maria de Liguori, vol. VIII, p.720, n.9, Marietti, Turin, 1887.


[11]         Cardinal Billot, Tractus De Ecclesia Christi, Book 1, Q.14,
De Romano Pontifice, Thesis 29, §3, 3rd Ed., Prati, 1909; emphasis added.

[12]         Bishop Francis Kenrick, The Primacy of the Apostolic See Vindicated, 3rd Ed., 1848, Dunigan & Bro., New York, pp. 287-8.

 

[13]         Outlines of Dogmatic Theology, Sylvester J. Hunter, S.J., 2nd ed., vol. 1, pp. 394 & 395, Benziger Brothers, N.Y. 1894 (emphasis added).

[14]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Article: Western Schism.

 

[15]         https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2023-10/fides-catholic-church-statistics-world-mission-sunday.html

 

[16]           St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Verità della Fede, Part 3, Ch.8, §9.

Warning about Lifenews.com: It Promotes Heresy

Catholic Candle note: Below is a corrected article. 

Correction

 

This correction regards our April 2025 article — Warning about Lifesitenews.com: It Promotes Heresy!: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/04/23/warning-about-lifesitenews-com-it-promotes-heresy/

 

Catholic Candle is embarrassed to have written an article in our April 2025 edition where we wrongly identified the name of the website at fault.  We thought it was Lifesitenews.com and it was really Lifenews.com.

 

We are sorry and apologize to Lifesitenews.com and to Catholic Candle readers.  It was our mistake completely.

 

 

Warning about Lifenews.com:

It Promotes Heresy


Lifenews.com publishes a mix of articles, good and bad.

Among other examples is its recent article which concludes falsely, that all unbaptized babies go to heaven.  For example, here are two ways that this heresy is stated in the article:

Do Aborted and Miscarried Babies Go to Heaven? …  I conclude that babies are among the “loved by God, that he [sic] has chosen” (1 Thessalonians 1: 4) and are with him now.  … 

Trust that your babies are with the Lord and with perfect understanding, enjoying him [sic], as you will come to see.[1]

The article in Lifenews.com promotes the protestants’ denial of the importance (or existence) of Original Sin.  They do not consider prompt infant Baptism to be necessary or important. 

The protestant author purports to be “biblical”.  But he is not.  He quickly segues into his squishy protestant heresy, namely, that Baptism is not crucial for salvation because the Father is so loving.

This protestant author’s supposed “biblical” analysis is so shallow that he neither mentioned nor showed how his protestant heresy fits with Our Lord’s words:

Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.   

St. John’s Gospel, 3:5.

Let us close this present article with a quick summary of the truths that Lifenews.com denies, at least implicitly, by publishing that heretical article.[2]

  Original Sin makes us enemies of God.  As the psalmist teaches: “I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.”  Psalm 50:7.  St. Paul teaches that, because of Original Sin, we are all “by nature children of wrath”.  Ephesians, 2:3.

 

  No One Can Go to Heaven Without Grace.

Here is one way that St. Thomas shows the connection between sanctifying grace and salvation:

[M]an is not justified from sin[3] [including Original Sin] except by grace … [and] the very least grace is sufficient to … merit eternal life.[4]

St. Thomas teaches the same truth in these words:

The holy Fathers [of the Old Testament] were delivered from hell by being admitted to the glory of the vision of God, to which no one can come except through grace; according to Rom. 6:23: ‘The grace of God is life everlasting.’ ”[5]

  But babies (and retarded persons who have never had the use of reason) can only receive grace through Baptism (because they cannot use their reason and so cannot have Baptism of Desire[6]).  As the Summa explains:

[S]ometimes Baptism cannot be omitted without loss of eternal salvation, as in the case of children who have not come to the use of reason.[7]

In other words, because there is no way for a baby to receive grace except through Baptism, if a baby is not baptized, he cannot go to heaven.

Here is another way to state this same explanation that an unbaptized baby does not go to heaven:

1.    No one goes to heaven unless he is a friend of God.

 

2.    No one is a friend of God without the (supernatural) Theological Virtue of Charity.

 

3.    There is no way for a baby to obtain this (supernatural) Theological Virtue of Charity except through Baptism.

 

4.    Therefore, a baby does not go to heaven unless he is baptized.

 

  Because a baby cannot go to heaven without grace and cannot obtain grace without Baptism, the Church insists on prompt Baptism.  As St. Thomas explains:

We must make a distinction and see whether those who are to be baptized are children or adults.  For if they be children, Baptism should not be deferred.  First, because in them we do not look for better instruction or fuller conversion.  Secondly, because of the danger of death, for no other remedy is available for them besides the sacrament of Baptism.[8]

This phrase “no other remedy is available for them” refers to a baby’s inability to be purged of Original Sin and to receive Grace, in any way besides Baptism.  By contrast, a person who has the use of reason could possibly receive Baptism of Desire, if he were unable to be Baptized.

  In the book, The Teaching Of The Catholic Church, Canon Smith explains the reality for parents of a baby who died without baptism:

[U]nbaptised children, not having received the sacrament of faith [i.e., Baptism], have not the supernatural knowledge, without which they cannot know what they have lost.  Hence their loss causes them no anguish of soul.  Although these considerations may bring some little consolation to the Catholic mother grieving over the fate of her child who has died unbaptised, they will not relieve the weight upon her conscience, should hers have been the fault, or free parents from the obligation to have their children baptised as soon as possible, since there is no measure or proportion between the natural  happiness that will be their lot [i.e., the lot of the babies] in limbo, and the inconceivable felicity of heaven, of which man’s carelessness [viz., by delaying Baptism] may so easily deprive them.[9]

  In his Constitution, Auctorem Fidei, on August 28, 1794, Pope Pius VI condemned the claim that the existence of the Limbo of the Children is a fable.  Here is his condemnation:

Condemned:

The doctrine which rejects as a Pelagian fable, that place of the lower regions (which the faithful generally designate by the name of the limbo of children) in which the souls of those departing with the sole guilt of original sin are punished with the punishment of the condemned, exclusive of the punishment of fire, just as if, by this very fact, that these who remove the punishment of fire introduced that middle place and state free of guilt and of punishment between the kingdom of God and eternal damnation, such as that about which the Pelagians idly talk,–false, rash, injurious to Catholic schools.[10]

Thus, the article[11] published by Lifenews.com promotes one or more heretical doctrines:

  That all unbaptized babies have grace;

  That grace is not necessary to get to heaven; and 

  That the Limbo of the Children is a fable, incurring the condemnation of Pope Pius VI.

Abortion is the murder of innocent babies.  It is very human for us to sympathize with the innocent and the weak.  We would be inclined to “wish ourselves into” the error that unbaptized babies (including all those murdered in abortion), somehow go to heaven. 

But we should love the truth more than the comfort of an appealing heresy!  It is heresy to say those unbaptized babies can go to heaven.  So that heresy is a false comfort. 

Also, this demonic heresy deemphasizes the urgent need to baptize babies.  When heretics deemphasize the necessity of infant Baptism, they promote the devil’s strategy of seeking to delay the Baptism of babies, even though it is the only way they can get to heaven.


Conclusion

Beware of the recklessness of Lifenews.com.  Watch out for the heresies that it publishes under the guise of “pro-life”!

 

 

 

 



[1]           Both of the above statements are quoted from: Do Aborted and Miscarried Babies Go to Heaven? Here’s What the Bible Says found here: https://www.lifenews.com/2025/03/04/do-aborted-and-miscarried-babies-go-to-heaven-heres-what-the-bible-says/?cmid=d5fc2db8-b428-4858-b3aa-6b8ade0ecdb7  (emphasis added).

 

[2]           Do Aborted and Miscarried Babies Go to Heaven? Here’s What the Bible Says found here: https://www.lifenews.com/2025/03/04/do-aborted-and-miscarried-babies-go-to-heaven-heres-what-the-bible-says/?cmid=d5fc2db8-b428-4858-b3aa-6b8ade0ecdb7.

 

[3]           i.e., so that his sins are forgiven.


[4]           Summa, III, Q.62, a.6, ad 3 (bracketed words added).

[5]           Summa, III, Q. 52, a.7, respondeo; the quote from St. Paul is in the original, bracketed words in the original.

[6]           Contrary to the Feeneyite errors, the Catholic Church teaches the possibility of Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.  Read the explanation here: https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/the-catholic-teaching-of-baptism-of-desire-and-baptism-of-blood.html


[7]          
Summa Supp., Q.8, a.1, ad 2.


[8]           Summa, III, Q.68, a.3, respondeo (emphasis added).

 

[9]           The Teaching Of The Catholic Church, A Summary of Catholic Doctrine, By Canon George D. Smith, D.D., Rh.D, Volume I, p.358, New York, MacMillan, ©1949 (emphasis and bracketed words added).

[10]         2626 Dz 1526 26 (emphasis added).

[11]         Do Aborted and Miscarried Babies Go to Heaven? Here’s What the Bible Says, found here: https://www.lifenews.com/2025/03/04/do-aborted-and-miscarried-babies-go-to-heaven-heres-what-the-bible-says/?cmid=d5fc2db8-b428-4858-b3aa-6b8ade0ecdb7

 

The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible with a Pope

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism.  Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist. 

Below is the seventh article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism.  As context for this seventh article, let us recall what we saw in the earlier six articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether Pope Francis (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church – based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.[1]

Then in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now.  When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all).  So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.2 billion people who profess that they are Catholic.  We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics.  Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused.[2]

Thus, we must judge Pope Francis to be a material heretic, not a formal heretic, and that he is the pope.  Regarding any of the world’s 1.2 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them (if we judge them at all) to be material heretics only, unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.[3]

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.[4] 

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from Pope Francis’ heresy by declaring that he is not the pope.[5]

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and, in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.[6] 

In the sixth article, we saw that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except during very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.[7]

Below, in the seventh article of this series, we see that the Catholic Church is a visible Body and will be visible to all.  The Catholic Church has a visible monarchical government and the pope is visible to all.  Thus, we know we have a pope and that he is visible to all.


The Catholic Church Will Always be Visible, and Will Always Have a Pope Who is Visible to All

From the preceding articles, we know that we must have a pope.  There are a few tiny dispersed groups who so despise the pope in the Vatican, that they concoct theories that there is a hidden pope, whom only their tiny “elite” “knows” about or “knows” is the pope.

These tiny “elite” groups are disunited in their views about who the hidden “pope” is.  Some hold that he lives in a farmhouse in Kansas.  Others claim that the “pope” is in Montana, Croatia, Argentina, Kenya, Spain or elsewhere.  Each of these “popes” is “known” and recognized only by his own tiny group.


The Catholic Church is Visible and will Always be Visible.

But we know from our catechism that the Catholic Church will always be visible.  This is why Pope Pius XI declared that:

The one true Church of Christ is visible to all.

Mortalium Animos, January 6, 1928. ¶10. 

Pope Leo XIII identified the cause of this visibility:

The Church is visible because She is a Body.

Satis Cognitum, ¶3. 

Pope Pius XII affirmed this same truth, quoting these words of Pope Leo XIII.  Mystici Corporis Christi, §14.

St. Francis de Sales replied to his adversaries who “would maintain that the Church is invisible and unperceivable” that he “consider[ed] that this is the extreme of absurdity, and that immediately beyond this abide frenzy and madness.”  He then proceeds to discuss at length eight clear proofs that the Church is always visible.    Catholic Controversy, Part 1, Ch. 5.

Thus, because the Catholic Church will always be a body, she will always be visible.

This visibility of the Catholic Church shows that the Catholic Church has a visible head.  We will discuss this in the next section of this article.  But the visibility of the Catholic Church also shows that the sedevacantists are wrong in their claim that the 1.2 billion persons who claim that they themselves are Catholic are, in fact, not “real” Catholics and that only the sedevacantists’ own tiny group are the “real” Catholics.  The truth is that the sedevacantists are rashly judging those confused Catholics.  By contrast, faithful and informed Catholics do not declare that those 1.2 billion self-described Catholics are not “really” Catholics.[8]


This Visible Church will Always have a Visible Government with a Visible Head.

Because the Church will always be visible, and because unity of government is an element of the Mark of Unity[9] by which the Church can always be known, the Church will always have a visible government, so that the true Church can be recognized by this Mark of Unity of Government.  

Because the Church’s government is visible and monarchical, “the Church, being a visible body, must have a visible head and centre of unity.”[10]  This is obviously true.  For the Church is not one, with a visible government, if it is unknown “who is in charge”.  In fact, governing authority is the efficient cause giving unity as one body to any society of men.[11] 

For there is not one visible society if it consists of men united only by ideas and not by a unified, visible government.  That is why even basic catechisms teach us that the Catholic Church is “under one visible head.[12]

Such a visible head has always been necessary, but even more evidently so as the Catholic Church spread throughout the world.[13]  That is why Pope Pius XII sums up Catholic teaching by declaring that “it is absolutely necessary that the Supreme Head, that is, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, be visible to the eyes of all”.[14]

Conclusion of this Article

We have no assurance that the pope will be holy or will govern well.  We have no assurance that the pope’s words and deeds will not be shocking and repulsive.  However, we do know that the Catholic Church is a visible body and that her head, the pope, is visible to all.  Thus, the pope is not living unknown and hidden from the attention of the world, in some Kansas farmhouse or similar place. 

Further, it is clear that the pope is also not someone such as Cardinal Siri (whom a tiny group had supposed to have been a secret pope).  Such a supposed “pontificate” was not visible.  In other words, he was not the pope who is “visible to the eyes of all”.  Mystici Corporis, 69.

Thus, we must have a pope who, as pope, is visible to all.  In other words, who the pope is, is not a secret.  The pope’s identity is known to all, however bad he is.  As of March 5, 2025 (the date of this article), that pope is Francis, although as of this date, he is in the hospital and possibly near death.



[6]               Read this article here:  It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[7]           Read this article here that the Catholic Church’s unified government always continues, even during an interregnum:  The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

[9]           Read this article: The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope, available here: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/02/21/the-catholic-church-will-always-have-a-pope/

 

[10]         Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold, Catholic Publication Society, 3rd ed., New York, 1884, article: Church of Christ, page 176.


[11]         Summa Supp., Q.40, a.6, Respondeo


[12]         See, e.g., Baltimore Catechism #4, Q.
115.


[13]           
A Full Catechism of the Catholic Church, Joseph Deharbe, S.J., Catholic Publication Society, New York, 1889, p.132.

 

[14]            Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 69. 

 

The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope

Catholic Candle note: Sedevacantism is wrong and is (material or formal) schism.  Catholic Candle is not sedevacantist. 

Below is the sixth article in a series which covers specific aspects of the error of sedevacantism.  As context for this sixth article of this series against the error of sedevacantism, let us recall what we saw in the earlier five articles:

In the first article, we saw that we cannot know whether Pope Francis (or anyone else) is a formal heretic (rather than a material heretic only) – and thus whether he is outside the true Catholic Church – based simply on his persistent, public teaching of a heretical opinion.[1]

Then in the second article, we saw that we must not judge a man to be a formal heretic if he professes to be Catholic and says he believes what a Catholic must believe now, in order to be Catholic now.  When a person professes a heretical opinion, we must judge him in the most favorable light (if we judge him at all).  So, we must avoid the sin of rash judgment and we must not judge negatively the interior culpability of the pope and the 1.2 billion people who profess that they are Catholic.  We must not judge they are not “real” Catholics if they tell us that they are Catholics.[2]  Instead, we should count them as Catholics who are very confused.

Thus, we must judge Pope Francis to be a material heretic, not a formal heretic, and that he is the pope.  Regarding any of the world’s 1.2 billion self-described Catholics who hold heresy, we must judge them (if we judge them at all) to be material heretics only, unless they themselves tell us that they know they don’t qualify to be Catholics.[3]

In the third article, we examined briefly the important difference between persons in authority who fulfill their duty to judge those under their charge in the external forum, as contrasted to a sedevacantist or anyone else except God who judges the interior culpability of other persons and (rashly) judges them to be formal heretics.[4] 

In the fourth article, we saw that it does not help us to protect ourselves better from Pope Francis’ heresy by declaring that he is not the pope.[5]

In the fifth article, we saw that it is possible for a pope to teach (or believe) heresy and, in fact, popes have taught and believed heresy at various times during Church history.[6] 

Below, in the sixth article of this series, we see that the Church infallibly assures us that we will have a pope at all times until the end of the world, except very short interregnums between papal reigns, during which the Church is in the process of electing a new pope and during which the Church’s unified government continues to function.

The Catholic Church Will Always Have a Pope

Because the Post-Vatican II popes have regularly committed shocking scandals – especially Pope Francis – a Catholic might be tempted to conclude from mere feelings rather than from an informed mind, that there is no pope.  However, that reaction is an error.  The Catholic Church teaches that She will always have a pope, until the very end of the world:

Vatican I infallibly teaches us:

If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by Divine Law) that Blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of Blessed Peter in this primacy, let him be anathema.[7]

The great Doctor of the Church, Saint Francis de Sales, teaches the same thing:

St. Peter has had successors, has them in these days, and will have them even to the end of the ages.[8]

Pope Pius XII teaches us:

If ever one day … material Rome were to crumble, … even then the Church would not crumble or crack, Christ’s promise to Peter would always remain true, the Papacy, the one and indestructible Church founded on the Pope alive at the moment, would always endure.[9]


Conclusion

We know with complete certainty that the sedevacantists are wrong in their (objectively-heretical) assertion that the Catholic Church does not have a pope.

The Catholic Church is Not in an Interregnum

Sedevacantists generally hold that Pope Pius XII has had no successors during the last 67 years.  In an attempt to avoid the contradiction between Vatican I’s infallible teaching and their own (false) theory, the sedevacantists simply label the last 67[10] years as a “papal interregnum”.

But if a sedevacantist would examine his position objectively, he would see that the supposed “facts” he asserts would not constitute a real interregnum but rather would be in an interruption in papal (monarchical) succession.  The sedevacantists assert that there will be a pope in some future time.  But their theory (viz., no pope now, but there will be a future pope) really supposes there would be (what historians call) a restoration of the (papal) monarchy which had been interrupted.[11] 

The Difference between a Real Papal Interregnum and the Sedevacantists’ False Assertion of a Current Interregnum.

Throughout Church history, no pope was ever elected until the previous pope died (or abdicated).  Thus, there was always a short interregnum, during which the electors promptly began the process of choosing a new pope and they continued their task until a new pope was chosen.

Choosing a new pope has often taken only days.  But the sedevacantists try to liken the 67-year (supposed) papal interregnum which they assert, to the very extreme and unusual interregnum which ended in Pope Gregory X’s election in 1272.  This interregnum was 2¾ years and is the longest in Church history.[12]

The election of Pope Gregory X took 2¾ years because the Cardinal electors had a profound disagreement which caused those Cardinals to labor that long electing a new pope.  But they kept trying until they succeeded in electing a new pope.

This interregnum (before Pope Gregory X’s election) is very different from the supposed interregnum asserted by the sedevacantists, for five reasons:

1.    The sedevacantists assert an interregnum which is over 24 times longer than the Church’s longest interregnum (ending in the election of Pope Gregory X).

2.    Taking into account the speed of communication of particular times throughout history, never in Church history did virtually every Catholic think that a pope reigned when the papal throne was vacant.  By contrast, the tiny sedevacantist “elite” thinks that the Chair of St. Peter is vacant and only this “elite” “knows” it. 

3.    In the case of every anti-pope in history, it has never happened that virtually every Catholic throughout the world has been deceived into believing that an anti-pope was the true pope.  In fact, it would be impossible for this to happen as will be shown in a future article.  But the tiny sedevacantist “elite” wrongly thinks this has occurred today and that only their tiny “elite” “knows” the truth.

4.    In every interregnum beginning with St. Peter’s death, the papal electors promptly set about the task of choosing a new pope.  Even in the most extreme case of laboring 2¾ years to choose a new pope, the electors began promptly and did not stop trying until they succeeded

By contrast, the sedevacantists assert there has been no attempt to even begin electing a new pope during this 67-year (supposed) interregnum, because the sedevacantists assert that no Cardinal electors remain to elect a new pope because they are all disqualified by (supposedly) ceasing to be members of the Catholic Church.

5.    During papal interregnums, the Church’s Unified Government continues operating without interruption.  But that is not true under the sedevacantist interregnum theory, which results in a concrete denial of Catholic teaching that Unity of Government is an element of the Church’s Mark of Unity.  See the discussion below.


A Quick Reminder of Basic Catechism Concerning the Four Marks of the Catholic Church.

Before we look more deeply into the impossibility of the sedevacantists’ false theory that we are in a long papal interregnum, let us remember a little basic catechism concerning the Four Marks of the Church.

The Four Marks of the Church are One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.[13]  These four marks are only contained in the Catholic Church and are the way to always discern the True Church founded by Jesus Christ.[14]

1.    The Church is One because its members 1) are all united under one government, 2) all profess the same faith, 3) all join in a common worship.[15]

 

2.    To show that the Church possesses the note of holiness it suffices to establish that her teaching is holy: that she is endowed with the means of producing supernatural holiness in her children.[16]

3.    The third mark of the Church is that she is Catholic, that is, universal.[17]

 

4.   Apostolicity is the mark by which the Church of today is recognized as identical with the Church founded by Jesus Christ upon the Apostles.[18] 

The Sedevacantist Interregnum Theory Contradicts Catholic Teaching that the Church’s Unity of Government is Part of the Church’s Mark of Unity.

It is a basic truth of the catechism that the Catholic Church has a unified, monarchic government.[19]  This unity of government makes the Church one throughout the world.[20]  This central government is an element of the Church’s Mark of Unity.[21]

One large Catholic Dictionary explained the need for the Church’s unity of government by setting forth the contrast to the disunited German States of the early 19th Century, which were united under a common language, beliefs, and practices, but were not one country:

The Catholic Roman Church … is one because all her members are united under one visible head ….  Some years ago, a great deal was said about the unity of Germany, which was eagerly desired by many.  Germans had many points in common: they all spoke the same language; the same blood flowed in their veins; they were proud of the same literature; they were bound together by many ennobling recollections, and, in some measure, by common aspirations.  But the German States were not one because they were not under one government.[22]

For the Catholic Church to lose Her unity of government, even temporarily, would be to lose an element of the Mark of Unity, at least temporarily.  Id.  If there were times when the Church did not have this element of the Mark of Unity, then this element would never be part of the Mark, because the Marks of the Church are inseparable from the Church and are signs by which we can always discern the true Church.[23] 

Just as the Church is always unified in Faith, She is always unified in Government.  Thus, when a pope dies, if the Church’s central Government ceased to function, the Church’s unity of government would also cease.  That does not happen. 

Even during papal interregnums, the Church’s central government continues to function, although under somewhat different rules.   Important Pontifical matters which are not urgent are deferred until the election of the new pope.[24]  Urgent Pontifical matters are handled by majority decisions of the cardinals.[25]  Sacred Congregations continue to handle routine matters.[26]  We could list many more details about the continued functioning of the Church’s central Government during a true interregnum.[27]  But in summary, the Church’s central Government always continues functioning and the Church maintains Her Mark of Unity in Her Government even during a papal interregnum.

Above, we use as an example, Pope St. Pius X’s 1904 revision of the rules for the operation of the Church’s central Government during a papal interregnum.  But this revision is only one of the various versions of the rules over the centuries.  The rules have also been tweaked by Pope Pius IV, Pope Gregory XV, Pope Clement XII and other popes.  But regardless of the details, the Church’s central Government always continues to function even during an interregnum (although, as said above, under somewhat different rules than when a pope is alive).

Because sedevacantists (falsely) assert that not only the pope but everyone else in the Church’s government (Cardinals, Chamberlains, etc.) is outside the Catholic Church, the sedevacantists’ interregnum theory results in the (supposed) destruction of the unity and the continuity of the Church’s central government for 67 years now.  This results in a concrete denial of Catholic teaching that unity of government is an element of the Church’s Mark of Unity, since the Church’s Marks are never lost, even temporarily.

Conclusion of This Examination of the Sedevacantists Assertion that the Church is in an Interregnum

The past 67 years are much different than a papal interregnum.  The sedevacantist theory contradicts the consistent Catholic teaching concerning the unity and continuity of the Church’s government, which is an element of Her Mark of Unity.

The truth is that the Catholic Church will always have unity and continuity in Her central government even during a papal interregnum, but this does not mean that She will always be governed well.

So, we know that we must have a pope because St. Peter will have “perpetual successors”; he “has them in these days”; and there is a pope who is “alive at the moment”.[28]



[6]               Read this article here:  It is Possible for a Pope to Teach Heresy and Remain the Pope?: https://catholiccandle.org/2025/01/27/it-is-possible-for-a-pope-to-teach-heresy-and-remain-the-pope/

 

[7]           Vatican I, Session 4, Ch. 2 (bold emphasis and parenthetical words are in the original, italic emphasis added).


[8]           Catholic Controversy, by Saint Francis de Sales, part 2, art. 6, Ch. 9.


[9]           January 30, 1949, Address to the Students of Rome, Quoted from The Pope Speaks, Pope Pius XII, Pantheon Books, New York, 1957 (emphasis added), p.215.

[10]         It is common for sedevacantists to falsely assert that Pope Pius XII was the last “real” pope.  However, we have seen some sedevacantists asserting that the (supposed) vacancy in the Apostolic See goes back to an even earlier date. 

On the other hand, some sedevacantists seem to take the position that Pope Francis is the first pope who is bad enough for them to declare that he is not a “real” pope.  These sedevacantists are very poorly informed about the countless doctrinal horrors and great scandals of Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II.  For example, Pope John Paul II called Christ the “guarantee of universal salvation”.  http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/2002/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20021003_ss-salvatore-s-brigida_en.html

Pope John Paul II also kissed the Koran; arranged and sponsored multiple international gatherings of false and pagan cults at Assisi, Italy; took part in many pagan rituals including burning incense to pagan gods and receiving the ritual mark of the pagan goddess Shiva, from a “priestess”.  The vile and dreadful words and deeds of Pope Francis’ conciliar predecessors is beyond the scope of this article.

 

But, whatever the number of conciliar popes that the sedevacantists take upon themselves to declare to not be “real”, the sedevacantists are still wrong.  Whether they claim that there is an interregnum of 67 years (as most sedevacantists do) or “only” 12 years (viz., if they decide to declare only Pope Francis to be not a pope), the reasons given in this article still show that the sedevacantists are rash and wrong.

[11]         See the history of monarchy in various countries, e.g., England and France, where historians describe the monarchy (which had been cut off) as having been “restored”.  One example of this description of a monarchy interrupted by revolution and then later restored, is the Bourbon Restoration in France after the French Revolution and the Napoleonic years.  Here is how one historian described this restoration of a king in the Bourbon line:

           

The Bourbon Restoration was the period of French history following the first fall of Napoleon in 1814 and his final defeat in the Hundred Days in 1815, until the July Revolution of 1830.  The brothers of the executed Louis XVI came to power and reigned in highly conservative fashion.  Exiled supporters of the monarchy returned to France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Restoration

 

[12]         The Primacy of the Apostolic See Vindicated, Bishop Francis Kenrick, 3rd ed., Dunigan & Bro., New York, 1848, p.288.

[13]         The Catechism of St. Pius X, Ninth Article of the Creed, teaches:

13 Q. How can the Church of Jesus Christ be distinguished from the numerous societies or sects founded by men, and calling themselves Christian?
  
A. From the numerous societies or sects founded by men and calling themselves Christian, the Church of Jesus Christ is easily distinguished by four marks: She is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

[14]         The Catechism of St. Pius X, Ninth Article of the Creed, teaches:

13 Q. How can the Church of Jesus Christ be distinguished from the numerous societies or sects founded by men, and calling themselves Christian?
  
A. From the numerous societies or sects founded by men and calling themselves Christian, the Church of Jesus Christ is easily distinguished by four marks: She is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

&

20 Q. And why is the true Church called Roman?

A. The true Church is called Roman, because the four marks of Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity and Apostolicity are found in that Church alone which acknowledges as Head the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter.

[15]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, section 12, article: Church.

[16]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, section 12, article: Holy.

[17]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, section 12, article: Catholic.

[18]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, section 12, article: Apostolicity.

[19]         See, e.g., St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica Suppl., Q.26, a.3, Respondeo.


[20]         Summa Supp., Q.40, a.6, Respondeo.  


[21]         See Council of Trent Catechism, article: Marks of the Church, section: Unity, subsection: Unity in Government.

[22]         Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold, Catholic Publication Society, 3rd ed., New York, 1884, article: Church of Christ, page 174.

 

[23]         1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, article: Unity (as a Mark of the Church); See also, Catechism of St. Pius X, section: Ninth Article of the Creed, Q.13.


[24]         This rule is set out, e.g., in St. Pius X’s Constitution Vacante Apostolica Sede, December 25, 1904, title 1, Ch.1, §1.


[25]         See, e.g., St. Pius X’s Constitution Vacante Apostolica Sede, December 25, 1904, title 1, Ch. 1, §5.

[26]         St. Pius X’s Constitution Vacante Apostolica Sede, December 25, 1904, title 1, Ch.4.

 

[27]         See, e.g., St. Pius X’s Constitution Vacante Apostolica Sede, December 25, 1904, title 1, Ch.3, §12, regarding the continued functioning of the offices of Camerlengo and the Grand Penitentiary.


[28]         Words of Pope Pius XII from the January 30, 1949, Address to the Students of Rome, Quoted from The Pope Speaks, Pantheon Books, New York, 1957 (emphasis added), p.215.